group survival?

[lonewolf]

A lone wolf might find it hard to get enough sleep, cover all the skills bases, do all the work, or benefit from different points of view, and different experiences. In a group you can allocate jobs and rota duties.

I've done all this time and time again, who allocates the jobs and decides who does what? some so called "leader" again? some stranger you've never met pre SHTF? no thanks, i'll take my chances on my own.

[iSkynet]

A lone wolf might find it hard to get enough sleep, cover all the skills bases, do all the work, or benefit from different points of view, and different experiences. In a group you can allocate jobs and rota duties.

I've done all this time and time again, who allocates the jobs and decides who does what? some so called "leader" again? some stranger you've never met pre SHTF? no thanks, i'll take my chances on my own.

So what's your goal? Go to the woods and live for the rest of your life on your own? I think this is a way to nowhere.
Or join a group in a year or two? Do you think this settled group will let some stranger in? I wouldn't give a penny for a loner safety after SHTF.
I have around 10 people I can trust if SHTF. The family. 2-3 families (around 30 people) in a group with 1 leader for every family is a good way to start.

[lonewolf]

Bigger group has more chances to survive (more skills, guns etc.). Small groups or loners are doomed.
That is proven by history.

maybe in London that is very true, but we don't all live in London even if the politicians cant see further than the Watford Gap !

[jansman]

To put it all into perspective...
Right now, NOW,we live as a society. We have leaders-people we may vote for, but never know.

We 'allocate' jobs. Today I had an electrician in to fix a problem. In the morning a plumber will fix a burst pipe in the bakehouse at work. Whilst I am at work, my rubbish will be collected from my house. My Wife has to see the doctor tomorrow evening. The mechanic will have our car on Thursday to service and MOT it. Whilst we respectively teach children and butcher animals to make our contribution to Society.
That Society provides medical care, police and firemen. It keeps the nasties(most of the time) out of society, so we can function in a safe system. And it is not a bad system-or at least it is the best we have.
So in a PAW why would anyone NOT want a division of labour within a community?

To paraphrase,'No man is an island'.
*I* am not. My family is my strength, and I am fortunate to also have a Brother on my wavelength and a son in law who thinks the same. He is also a damned good Countryman for a lad of 23. In a crisis, as skilled as I am at staying alive and providing, *I* cannot do it all. Neither can my Wife. For one thing, we ain't gettin' any younger...

[rik_uk3]

Hi People
i am relatively new on here but have had ideas for a for years but never acted on them till now
BUT hey ho better late than never!!

They say its Survival of the fitest which i believe is BANG ON!

I am prepping for primarily for a world wide finacial collapse
this doesnt mean it will definitly happen but as they say "anything is possible"

has anyone ever considered grouping uip/meeting up when TSHTF
it is survival of the fittest
but when you have a group of people all geared up and ready to survive it raise the odds even higher!

just a thought and i understand you need to trust, meet and develop strong relationships with people

But i am sure in this scenario meeting people while out "surviving" could potentially be fatal!

jus a thought

Your spot on in that a 'group' is needed for long term survival. My family is one of three which make up our group. We've all been into survival since the late 70's, are close friends, prep to support us all if needed but... whilst we are lucky to have a trusted group we've put this together over time and we are true friends.

Meet ups are important, they can seed growth and it would be good to see more of them here. I'm organising a little Welsh winter camp and it would be good to meet new people if you fancy the trip pm me.

[lonewolf]

I have heard this "no man is an island" carp all my life, for most people it may be true, but for a small select number living with a load of other people is something to be endured rather than enjoyed, I hate living with neighbours around me, they annoy and infuriate me, if I had the money(I don't) I would be living in a remote, isolated area( yes these place do exist in the UK if you know where to look), a group situation post SHTF is personally not for me, its bad enough now but post collapse living with complete strangers would be life threatening to say the least(" if you don't know them, haven't worked with them or spent time with them, then DONT trust them".....old survivalist saying). I have never liked people very much, too much "mind games" being played, I prefer animals, animals don't let you down.

[iSkynet]

has anyone ever considered grouping uip/meeting up when TSHTF
it is survival of the fittest
but when you have a group of people all geared up and ready to survive it raise the odds even higher!

just a thought and i understand you need to trust, meet and develop strong relationships with people

But i am sure in this scenario meeting people while out "surviving" could potentially be fatal!

Only group can survive after SHTF and develop in time into something that can be seen as settlement.
Yeah surviving on your own is easy (at some moments) as life without responsibilities. But such surviving will end after first broken bone or something like that. There are lots of other moments but I won't go into details. The single survival is a romantic tale that has nothing to do with real life and/or a dangerous delusion based on reality shows and computer games.

As I have responsibilities I don't even consider surviving on my own.

Everything depends on personal situation and goal that one wants to achieve.

[lonewolf]

I would expect someone who lives in London to have that opinion, after all you are surrounded by people every day, but some of us are individualists and can happily live without having people around us. as for broken bones and the like, how many times have you broken a bone? I have broken my arm once and sprained an ankle twice in my whole long life, just take extra care and you'll be fine.

[iSkynet]

I would expect someone who lives in London to have that opinion, after all you are surrounded by people every day, but some of us are individualists and can happily live without having people around us. as for broken bones and the like, how many times have you broken a bone? I have broken my arm once and sprained an ankle twice in my whole long life, just take extra care and you'll be fine.

As I said all depends on personal goals.

About me living in London... I didn't live here all my life. And we (former USSR countries) have gone through country collapse in 1991 when all system just dissapeared over a night together with government and money.

So for someone SHTF is just going through same things all over again.

I wouldn't judge person only by the town where he lives.

[lonewolf]

I wouldn't judge person only by the town where he lives.

that is very true, you sound like you have more experience of this than the average Londoner, but whats the population of London now? 7-8million? if there isn't a large die-off then that's a lot of competition for resources post SHTF!! maybe in a situation like that a group would be your best chance of survival, in fact probably your only hope of survival given the numbers. I live in a rural location, very low population numbers, so I don't have to worry too much about meeting other people (which is one of the reasons why I live here).