Pharmaceuticals should be the last resort

[morgawr]

Love it, I got to say just getting people talking about it in a good or bad way is a step in the right direction.

But let's clear a a few points.

My post did not say cayenne pepper will cure cancer.

And I clearly state not to stop taking your medicines, you will know when the time is right for that or not.

I am not pushing products to make money, but you don't know that.

You cannot patent Nature.

Water, no patent it's natural, and if you read the book it also includes Sea Salt, again natural so no patent.

Magnesium yet again is natural and no Pharmaceutical company will get a patent.

Hydrogen Peroxide, now this one scared me when I first discovered people breath this in, I had always known it as a Bleach for hair and even rocket fuel, but it turns out it has many many strenght types and uses, and it is what I use every day, straight into the lungs and also in my ears. I use Hydrogen Peroxide 3% food grade, and anyone trying this must do their homework.
What is Hydrogen Peroxide, well would you believe it, ( H202 ) Water with and extra oxygen molecule and it's natural and you got it no way can anyone get a patent.

So anyone wishing to investigate will discover no Pharmaceutical can profit from them, without a patent they won't even do the research.

The world is full of Pharmaceutical owned dr's, their robots pushing drugs. very few break free, but when they do they are classed as quacks.

All I ask is people be open minded and just read some free books, it took me two years to build up the courage and try the things I did.

I told my dr's all about what I was doing, I told them I no longer wanted or needed the 4 lung medicines I was on, and still after over a year they still give them to me, I know what that told me

[Spiderwebb]

I take your point how deleting a thread is a bit nanny state. For personal reasons I just don't like people posting stuff that unjustifiably gets hopes up - it's a bit insensitive.

[itsybitsy]

For personal reasons I just don't like people posting stuff that unjustifiably gets hopes up - it's a bit insensitive.

I agree. It's acceptable to say that something has worked for you personally, but to advocate that cayenne pepper can stop a heart attack and that "pretty much all things can be cured naturally, Lungs-Hart-Cancers everything" is a load of crap, quite frankly.

If I cut my finger off should I slap a dock leaf on and hope for the best? How long will it take for a new one to sprout...

[Briggs]

For personal reasons I just don't like people posting stuff that unjustifiably gets hopes up - it's a bit insensitive.

I agree. It's acceptable to say that something has worked for you personally, but to advocate that cayenne pepper can stop a heart attack and that "pretty much all things can be cured naturally, Lungs-Hart-Cancers everything" is a load of crap, quite frankly.

If I cut my finger off should I slap a dock leaf on and hope for the best? How long will it take for a new one to sprout...

Just to clarify, dock leaves are for stinging nettle bites. For reattaching missing fingers, it's rhubarb

[maxilaura]

I personally believe alternative treatments may benefit a person ALONG with the pharmaceutical ones - but not on their own. But that is just my opinion.

When my daughter was little she was very ill and in and out of hospital. My cousin had a child with a similar situation and swore by herbal supplements - she didn't want any "chemicals" being put into her childs' body. I did try the herbal stuff with my daughter - but I was not prepared to risk my childs health by just using the herbal stuff and not the doctors' advise and medications, so I used both where they were compatiable and ok to do so.

10 years later her child is still suffering with Asthma and breathing problems - my daughter has recovered and is hasn't had a breathing problem in over 8 years.

This is just my personal story and my personal beliefs, but alternative treatments are only so good and can benefit ALONG SIDE traditional treatments.

[itsybitsy]

For personal reasons I just don't like people posting stuff that unjustifiably gets hopes up - it's a bit insensitive.

I agree. It's acceptable to say that something has worked for you personally, but to advocate that cayenne pepper can stop a heart attack and that "pretty much all things can be cured naturally, Lungs-Hart-Cancers everything" is a load of crap, quite frankly.

If I cut my finger off should I slap a dock leaf on and hope for the best? How long will it take for a new one to sprout...

Just to clarify, dock leaves are for stinging nettle bites. For reattaching missing fingers, it's rhubarb

[morgawr]

Just a little reminder that preppers are seen by many as total nut cases and the fact that many see my opinions as nut's is fine, but there are many like myself that find Home remedies, wife tales and holistic medicines as a way of life.
Sadly in Holistic medicines there are people who will make profit from the sick no matter the outcome or the suffering of the patient, but let's not forget the errors to put it nicely of the Pharma.
If someone cuts your head off a needle and cotton will not be much help to you, If you have had a fatal hart attack, Cayenne Pepper won't help you, but their are lo't of in between where it could work.
My original post was just an introduction to investigate possible choices, the rest is up to the reader.

[nickdutch]

I too am interested in herbal and home remedies, but maybe its a question of whether this is a political forum which goes out against any particular interest group.

You can use meadow sweet herb as a mild pain killer as it contains aspirin related chemicals, you can use lemon balm to help sweat out a fever.

The uses around the home of bicarbonate of soda have been gone into in great depth in this forum and I use it in the sink drain occasionally, but sometimes, just sometimes a proper chemical solution can be good too.

Suggestions about the health benefits of something is great, but if it overly promotes that one solution or sees that one solution as the only one that can do the job, or gives it a special power that it simply doesn't have, or is overly critical of other orthodox solutions that full blown scientific research shows is beneficial under specific circumstances, then that is morally wrong in my humble opinion.

Sure there are healing benefits of meditation, but the moment a person has a heart attack I don't hold up a new age clear quartz crystal and say "stand back! I am a self professed expert in transcendental meditation!"

[KrisWard]

I too agree with many on here, we are open to the idea that natural or alternative medicines can be helpful for our health and recovery. Addtionally there are many conspirancy theorys about pramacutical companys and its products; but this isnt a political site.

If SHTF we will have to look at such measures, although most people would prefer to take a paracetamol, to digging up a random plant root, boiling it and pressing it out, in current society. I dont think this is the point in question. Its far reaching claims, without adequate authority.

Had this been provided, perhaps the responses wouldnt have been so assertively stated. Your an advocate, there is nothing wrong with that, but to help get your point over you should have some factual basis or published reasearch to substantiate your claims.

[cpslashm]

Many pharmaceuticals start with plants.

Many medications are toxic in large doses but disproportionally beneficial in low doses. This response is called hormesis.

Many plants produce low-level toxins, so foragers need a varied diet.

Without rigorous (expensive) research, genuine treatments are difficult to separate from wishful thinking. If they are associated with other (dubious) claims grant bodies and pharma will run a mile.

WTSHTF big time, no pharmaceuticals will be produced for a long time. So they will all run out.

We are going to need more than wishful thinking.