Security

[Maddosammo]

I apologise if this is in the wrong section.

I was on the "survivalist board" earlier and found a thread with this link in it: WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/break ... ased_.html

And it got me thinking, what would you/i do if your home was invaded.

In all honesty I wouldn't have a clue what I would do. I'd hope my martial arts that I was put through when I was younger would kick in but I doubt it. I'd probably end up battered and bruised.

What are your views on this?


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[dazthechippy]

oh man, that's really bad - what gives people the right to think they could do such a thing..

i have a few ideas not sure if the mods'll ok so I wont say it in the post but essentially all bets of being nice are off and it's a bit like the end scene from saving private ryan where they're hand to hand on the floor - a desparate struggle to overcome, cant say it plainer than that.

I'd hope either me or the wife would be racing with enough adrenaline to put up such an initial fight that he'd flee but you never can guarantee that can you???

be safe out there peeps - i'd love to hear ideas within the remits of the forum tho...

[Cocotte]

i have a few ideas not sure if the mods'll ok so I wont say it in the post

Pretty much sums up the lack of posts in this thread.
Might as well ask about disposals and removing red stains

[badgersden]

hi thought over this a few time myself been reading up on the law and responsible force is aloud.have a link to a website which tells you more just a snippet from well worth the read

Anyone can use reasonable force to protect themselves or others, or to carry out an arrest or to prevent crime. You are not expected to make fine judgements over the level of force you use in the heat of the moment. So long as you only do what you honestly and instinctively believe is necessary in the heat of the moment, that would be the strongest evidence of you acting lawfully and in self-defence. This is still the case if you use something to hand as a weapon.

As a general rule, the more extreme the circumstances and the fear felt, the more force you can lawfully use in self-defence.


http://www.cps.gov.uk/Publications/pros ... lders.html

[Plymtom]

First thing that comes to mind is would he have been so quick to do such a thing in a city where private handgun ownership was allowed, the second thing that comes to mind is this is now in America, no wonder they are much more worried about what would happen should things go pear shaped than seems reasonable to the average Brit, this sort of thing does happen here I suppose but not so frequently.
Finally I'd add that asides for stronger doors and the like nothing not even mothers with guns would make for a safer world in the here and now, for to be ready to react to something like this 24/7 wouldn't make the average home much safer, that man and all like him should be punished severely, I think we all forget at times how bad people can get, it's not even a preppy thing in this instance, a good argument for owning a large family dog though.

[junmist]

Hmmmm well if someone breaks into your house and you do not hear them breaking into the house so that you can prepare yourself, and the first thing they do is hit you. You are going to go into shock which unless you are trained in combat i.e. in the forces or the police you are not going to fight back, he kept hitting her and kept going back to hit her keeping her in shock and stopped her fighting back.
So you need some sort of system that gives you notice a dog would have let her know someone was around (hopefully) or some sort of alarm system early warning would be better than just one on the doors and windows. For doors and windows very loud ear splitting shriek alarm it may deafen you and your kids but it will also hopefully stop the attacker as well.

[Charlie 5]

i have a few ideas not sure if the mods'll ok so I wont say it in the post

Pretty much sums up the lack of posts in this thread.
Might as well ask about disposals and removing red stains

Totally agree with the other posters on this subject. You can have all the training in the world - but the key is always the capability to manage extreme fear - the fight or flight syndrome - or simply being frozen to the spot. If you can react, you have maybe 90 seconds to inflict enough damage on your assailant to make them retreat. After that, unless you are very fit and combat ready your adrenaline and energy levels are going to be severely depleted. Notwithstanding the 'adrenaline dump' which happens later and then really leaves you vulnerable to a secondary attack. Simple rule of thumb (if you can react in time) hard surfaces against soft surfaces - forehead, elbow, knees - against any soft tissue target. Notwithstanding, your teeth - if you can get close enough to bite - this can also be very effective. But, it all comes back to staying out of 'shock' and being able to actually function. Or you could just get a short legged, long nosed, long tailed terrier to prowl your living space during the silent hours...oh..hang on...that would be a crocodile

[ArethusaF38]

i have a few ideas not sure if the mods'll ok so I wont say it in the post

Pretty much sums up the lack of posts in this thread.
Might as well ask about disposals and removing red stains

Totally agree with the other posters on this subject. You can have all the training in the world - but the key is always the capability to manage extreme fear - the fight or flight syndrome - or simply being frozen to the spot. If you can react, you have maybe 90 seconds to inflict enough damage on your assailant to make them retreat. After that, unless you are very fit and combat ready your adrenaline and energy levels are going to be severely depleted. Notwithstanding the 'adrenaline dump' which happens later and then really leaves you vulnerable to a secondary attack. Simple rule of thumb (if you can react in time) hard surfaces against soft surfaces - forehead, elbow, knees - against any soft tissue target. Notwithstanding, your teeth - if you can get close enough to bite - this can also be very effective. But, it all comes back to staying out of 'shock' and being able to actually function. Or you could just get a short legged, long nosed, long tailed terrier to prowl your living space during the silent hours...oh..hang on...that would be a crocodile

Absolutely agree with the above. The only thing I would add is to go all in with "maximum aggression". Most of us peaceful types have a tendency to hold back or pull punches as it is not in our nature to hurt others. However, with an intruder or attacker that obviously wishes to do harm then hard, fast, and brutal is the way to go. Overwhelm them with ferocity, and don't let up until they're incapacitated, or gone. Yes, elbows, forehead and teeth are good, but also anything to hand - a pen, keys, coins. Hopefully for most of us it will never come to this, but if it should, if you have to fight, give 'em the fight of their lives.

[Darktide]

I've been in a position where someone tried to force their way into my house whilst my wife and daughter were in and it didn't go well for him. The red mist came down and there was no way he was getting in my house whilst I was alive.
If I ever disturbed a burglar I'd probably do time for it.


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[survivor_steve]

when i had my first flat i had a knock on the door, i opened up and 4 lads burst in... now bearing in mind that at that time i was doing boxing twice a week and martial arts twice a week when confronted with 4 men, 1 with baseball bat and other said he had a gun which i later found out was just a scare tactic, i was unprepared, i was vulnerable and there was nothing i could do and i took a damn good beating with back battered n bruised from the strikes of the bat, wasnt fun i can tell you.

Now you maybe thinking why it happened and it turned out that they was drug dealers and they had some drugs stolen from them, they had got the wrong flat they should have gone to the bottom flat next door, that didnt help me though.... but 1 against 4 with them armed and me defenceless even to this day i dont think there was anything i could of done in that situation so now i make sure the situation is different.

doors are locked, doors do have chains on them, door wont be opened untill i know who it is, it doesnt take long to peek through window, and if at night i will look out of top window, if i hear bashing on the door it will give me time to unlock gunsafe and hopefully i wont be in the same position that has stayed with me for my life.

now i have children i think totally different,have realised there is scum out there, and even through no fault of your own you can be in danger without knowing, if it happens again i hope im in a better position now, missus and eldist kid knows how to lock n load now .....all the best steve