Okay i am going to get dark here, does anyone think there will be shtf suicides?
As history shows that suicide does rise at these time like in the great depression when people lost there money they didn't want to live being poor. Here is what scares me we are all planning or isolating our self's by bugging in or bugging out to where nobody is, as we all know the human is a pack animal and some pack animals loose the will to live when alone.
We are going to have too much thinking time about how bad things are some people will be too busy getting preps to survive but some here already have them and will just have to wait and hide which could send a person slightly mad. Suicide rates are higher in countries with guns as they have easy access to means to kill themselves. Most people here are collecting weapons for protection and enough medication to kill a elephant which will all be easy to hand.
Anyone got any thoughts on the situation?
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this not some thing ive spent any time thinking about to be honest .
i do have enough meds to drop a horse both mine and the wifes plus the over the counter stuff .
suicide could be an option for the weak willed who can`t see any future , not that you would find any one like that here .
i do have enough meds to drop a horse both mine and the wifes plus the over the counter stuff .
suicide could be an option for the weak willed who can`t see any future , not that you would find any one like that here .
YES i walked away mid sentence , you were boring me to death and my survival instincts kick in .
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metatron
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Yeah I'd imagen there would be mass suicides, for a lot of people its the easy way out. Being that this country is secular if there is no afterlife, no nothing, there is nothing to fear about death, it is the easy way out.
You would also get a lot of deaths for human stupidity.
You would also get a lot of deaths for human stupidity.
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Reservior
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I think you raise a valid point.
Certainly it would happen amongst those chance survivors in the general public, taking alcoholics as an example, how many would just drink themselves to death on finding themselves in a world totally alien to anything they had ever known?
Amongst the prepping community I'm sure there would be some. It's all very well discussing these things in the relative safety and comfort of our homes, the reality of it will be much different. Who knows how any of us will react when the time comes? I could quite easily sit here, typing this with a glass of wine to my side and say, no chance il buckle under the pressure, I have the survival instinct. In reality, none of us know. Prepping, however, gives you some confidence and when times get tough, that bit of confidence might just get you through the difficult times. I think, if you can take your preps to a different level and try something like cold weather camping, a weekend at home without power, etc the experience gained just boosts that confidence a little further.
Certainly it would happen amongst those chance survivors in the general public, taking alcoholics as an example, how many would just drink themselves to death on finding themselves in a world totally alien to anything they had ever known?
Amongst the prepping community I'm sure there would be some. It's all very well discussing these things in the relative safety and comfort of our homes, the reality of it will be much different. Who knows how any of us will react when the time comes? I could quite easily sit here, typing this with a glass of wine to my side and say, no chance il buckle under the pressure, I have the survival instinct. In reality, none of us know. Prepping, however, gives you some confidence and when times get tough, that bit of confidence might just get you through the difficult times. I think, if you can take your preps to a different level and try something like cold weather camping, a weekend at home without power, etc the experience gained just boosts that confidence a little further.
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Hmmm. I hadn't thought about it before, but its logical.
There'll be people who would have committed suicide anyway - on any day, there are people screwing themselves up to take their own lives. Without members of the public around to stop them (e.g. the chaplains who monitor Beachy Head) more of those will succeed.
There'll be people who "force" others to kill them, e.g. what the transport police call "driver induced suicide", isn't it? Or police induced suicide, when people try to shoot a police officer and give the officer plenty of time and opportunity to shoot back?
People who lose hope straight away, or go crazy from thirst, or lay down and die from hunger or cold, when pushing on would have got them to safety. People who are careless with their health, and don't clean a wound. People who *get* themselves killed by being suicidally stupid - whether from over-confidence, misplaced trust, or false optimism.
Basically, all the daft things we see today where someone is rescued or pulls a wry face in the A&E department - many more of them will result in deaths. Which might be called suicides of some description - its late for me, I'm just painting with a broad brush!
I'm sure some preppers would actively commit suicide - the ones who think they're 100% prepared and realise either that they've forgotten something crucial, or thought their skills were greater than they are, or whose stuff is stolen from them and they can't re-adjust. It will be all sorts of things.
People who kill themselves from drugs would probably be facing a long, painful decline, sadly, e.g. people who drink paraquat and don't get to a hospital immediately to have their stomach pumped, they can take four days or more to die. And without doctors to administer painkillers - it will be bad.
In fact, all of it will be bad. Lets not be the ones that go there. Lets be the ones that hunker down ready to re-establish the world, except do it a bit better this time!
There'll be people who would have committed suicide anyway - on any day, there are people screwing themselves up to take their own lives. Without members of the public around to stop them (e.g. the chaplains who monitor Beachy Head) more of those will succeed.
There'll be people who "force" others to kill them, e.g. what the transport police call "driver induced suicide", isn't it? Or police induced suicide, when people try to shoot a police officer and give the officer plenty of time and opportunity to shoot back?
People who lose hope straight away, or go crazy from thirst, or lay down and die from hunger or cold, when pushing on would have got them to safety. People who are careless with their health, and don't clean a wound. People who *get* themselves killed by being suicidally stupid - whether from over-confidence, misplaced trust, or false optimism.
Basically, all the daft things we see today where someone is rescued or pulls a wry face in the A&E department - many more of them will result in deaths. Which might be called suicides of some description - its late for me, I'm just painting with a broad brush!
I'm sure some preppers would actively commit suicide - the ones who think they're 100% prepared and realise either that they've forgotten something crucial, or thought their skills were greater than they are, or whose stuff is stolen from them and they can't re-adjust. It will be all sorts of things.
People who kill themselves from drugs would probably be facing a long, painful decline, sadly, e.g. people who drink paraquat and don't get to a hospital immediately to have their stomach pumped, they can take four days or more to die. And without doctors to administer painkillers - it will be bad.
In fact, all of it will be bad. Lets not be the ones that go there. Lets be the ones that hunker down ready to re-establish the world, except do it a bit better this time!
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Juvecu
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Don't forget about the millions on anti-depressants. No daily happy pill and they will come off it hard and nosedive fast. That scenario means the originally suicidal ones will be out looking for high places to jump from early on, followed by most of the others shortly after.
No disrespect meant to anyone on anti-depressants, my good lady is one of them and one of my biggest prepping concerns.
No disrespect meant to anyone on anti-depressants, my good lady is one of them and one of my biggest prepping concerns.
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You have a really valid point Juvecu. The sudden end to the supply of anti depressants would likely have very dire consequences. Also it would be difficult for those who have to manage chronic, acute pain with powerful pain killers. There was a CNBC.com article a while ago titled "Depression, Suicides Rise as Euro Debt Crisis Intensifies". Basically it said that there has been an increase in alcohol abuse and a 25% increase in anti depressant requests since the Euro debt crisis austerity measures have been implemented. Keeping this in mind a SHTF scenario might result in an explosion in suicide rates.
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its a valid point ! but the reason we prep is to survive ! why would anyone that preps consider suicide? it goes against what we are doing! yes there will be mass suicides but from these that find themselves unprepared !
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There has been, well I think there has, an increase in suicides and suicides with children included. Almost every week in the news they report someone who has killed themselves, just this week was a stressed banker. It's happening now - as people become unable to cope with less money, lack of work etc and see no other way out.
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I have the same outlook. I've never considered this would be an option regardless of the circumstances whilst prepping for when the SHTF... I'm prepping to survive with the hope that if it really does all fall apart, I will eventually find and be part of a community who have learned from the mistakes of the past and move forward towards a world where suicide is never considered. I am a little bit utopian, I know but you only have to take a look at the news today to see the mistakes that are being made by the educated governments of the world in which we put our trust. Sometimes I think humanity, as a virtue is being eradicated and will eventually go the way of the Dodo. I hope for change but if it doesn't happen I plan to survive and would do whatever I could to stop someone taking their own life post SHTF. Just my thoughtsArzosah wrote:Lets not be the ones that go there. Lets be the ones that hunker down ready to re-establish the world, except do it a bit better this time!
