coming crisis in farming

[Arzosah]

GillyBee, Lil has the rights of it, I'm not offended at all - there's absolutely a sort of online vegetarian that really can be described as evangelical, I find it appalling. As you say, it's actually mostly vegans - yep, appalling is the word that keeps on coming back to me!

For me, I'm surrounded by meat eaters everywhere and I consider one of my best buddies on here to be jansman, who's a butcher, after all

In conditions of need, there's a lot to be said for meat eating, such a concentrated protein. I only have one experience of that, not long after I turned veggie. I was on a train journey from Athens back to the UK, and I stopped off in Basle, which I knew slightly, and knew I could find a good bed close to the station, and I was *so* hungry for a good meal. I didn't have very many Swiss francs though, so I reverted to meat eating - double cheeseburger and chips at McDonalds I'm not kidding. Needs must

Plus, a quick note on WWII cookery - my mum was an evacuee from Liverpool to rural Herefordshire. She put on half a stone in two weeks, farmers were allowed to keep milk etc for their own use, and their market gardens were big. Later on, when she was at an evacuated Liverpool teacher training college in the Lake District, her diet was more like the usual wartime fare, and at 5' 8", she weighed 8 stone - there was absolutely nothing of her!

[Stonecarver]

In subcontinent they are big on legumes and have interesting ways of preparing them. I like to watch this channel for ideas. Basically all streetfood

https://m.youtube.com/c/RashidaHussain/videos

[jennyjj01]

I was simply hoping to point out to any meat eaters contemplating a bean filled future that they could add a familiar flavour to an otherwise vegetarian meal. So many modern recipes either assume you will be eating a substantial portion of meat or else assume your diet avoids it completely. There don't seem to be many modern versions of the WW2/depression cooking systems of making a little meat go a long way.

... the WW2/ Depression type of cooking is what I do. From times when meat was dear and money was scarce. Just like now you sometimes wonder why we bother eh!

Here Here!

As preppers, we might realise that pulses are going to have to be a major part of our post crisis diet. And what do we find when we seek pulse recipes? BI006y Vegan recipes! That can make us miss a trick and end up hostile to our treasured pulses.

We meat eating preppers need make our own hybrid recipes. Adopt, Adapt, Improve.
Shamelessly soak the jackfruit or seiten in beef OXO or mix in with tinned bacon!
Shamelessly put that OXO soaked vegan pie filling in pastry made with Lard if we have lard.
Pad out Beef with pulses or soya, rather than subbing it out.

We can exploit the best of vegan textures, with the most wicked of carnivore flavours.

And that way we can both keep carnie family on board in times of meat shortage, AND we can more easily rotate our meat substitutes, now.

I'm feeling a book coming on. "The Sod Vegan Recipe Book"

[jennyjj01]

In subcontinent they are big on legumes and have interesting ways of preparing them. I like to watch this channel for ideas. Basically all streetfood

https://m.youtube.com/c/RashidaHussain/videos

OMG! That Pakistani Street-food was almost totally veggie, but such variety and passion. And Sooooo many spices sprinkled on
Not a nut cutlet in sight. Nothing like British Indian Restaurant style.

Lots there to adopt and adapt.

[GillyBee]

One family favourite is the pea and paneer curry from Madhur Jaffreys book of Eastern Vegetarian Cookery. I am slowly working my way through the book for other cheap or storecupboard ideas that meet our weird dietary requirements.

https://www.motherearthliving.com/food- ... th-paneer/
This is the same recipe but also adds instructions to make your own paneer. I have heard of it being made from Nido making it a storecupboard option.

[izzy_mack]

Can I point out that chickpeas, lentils etc. are crops. Assuming that farmers find the extra money needed to cover the cost of seeds, fertiliser, sprays etc and even if they're not in short supply, the cost will be passed on so I advise stock up, the prices of these things are likely to go up - probably not talking only a penny or two either.

[jennyjj01]

Can I point out that chickpeas, lentils etc. are crops. Assuming that farmers find the extra money needed to cover the cost of seeds, fertiliser, sprays etc and even if they're not in short supply, the cost will be passed on so I advise stock up, the prices of these things are likely to go up - probably not talking only a penny or two either.

Food price inflation is now getting more and more obvious with staple prices leaping every week. Simple things like a small tin of peas, probably twice as dear as this time last year.

"Cost of food in the United Kingdom increased 4.20 percent in December of 2021 over the same month in the previous year. It is the highest food inflation since September of 2013. source: Office for National Statistics"

But that is not the whole picture. The increase was driven by the December monthly price rises of 1.3%. On the month!

1.3% in a month is HUGE. and it's on an upward trend.

The Year on year rate Nov-Nov only went up by 2.5% and Oct-Oct was only 1.2% It doesn't bode well for Jan-Jan or Feb-Feb, or...

[diamond lil]

Anybody living rural, get a gun and permission from a landowner. You can do an awful lot with pigeon & wabbits In one wartime diary a lady does a meal for 3 adults with only one rabbit leg. - mince it with suet and shove it in a pie with veg!
Game pie with pheasant pigeon rabbit et all. Likewise fabulous soup.
And a mincer would make sausages...

[itsybitsy]

I guess the slow collapse is going to go in fits and starts we might be on a fast bit right now.

I'm not laughing per se, just at your rather sage 'We might be on a fast bit right now' observation.

[Arzosah]

I guess the slow collapse is going to go in fits and starts we might be on a fast bit right now.

I'm not laughing per se, just at your rather sage 'We might be on a fast bit right now' observation.

I get it, I really do! A lot of bad things are feeding back into one another. As Kurt Vonnegut used to say, so it goes.