A moral compass in an TEOTWAWKI Scenario

[SooBee]

Good one.


My favourite is this: 'I can forgive you but I can't always forgive what you do.'

Also....'Inside all of us is a small quiet space where we could kill'...such an unacceptable thought.



Soobee

[redskies]

Arzosah, it comes from something called 'The Wican Rede'. I am not, strictly speaking, a wiccan*, but it seems a very good philosophy by which to live your life. You'll find the full text here - http://wicca.com/celtic/wicca/rede.htm


Rights are an interesting subject. I'm not much for man made law. It's designed to be devious and dishonest and dispenses 'justice' not in the sense of right and wrong but in the sense of who can afford to pay for it, which is a system that is inherently flawed. Whilst I live by the rede, I see it as not so much a law but a philosophy. The other one I have is 'never throw the first punch'. And whilst I'm happy to finish any fight that someone starts with me, I never have started one with anyone else, nor will I. And if the world adopted those two philosophies, it would be a far better place with far less aggravation!

Rights are spoken of these days as though they are a gift from governments. They're not. They are inherent in us, we are born with them. And the biggest problem with the rights of people is that whilst they feel, correctly, that they have the right to live as they choose, they forget that they have no right to force that on others. And that applies from the religious trying to force all to see things their way to the education system trying to force all to be the same, without recognising and making the most of the wonderful variations in humans!

[Arzosah]

Thanks for the link, redskies, I'll have a look at that just now. I'd not really been in a good space to explore wicca previously, and I don't think I'd ever be a full member, but there's definitely something there. And I get what you're saying about rights too. Much appreciated.

[Triple_sod]

I have had a fair few personal SHTF situations before. It does something to you. I went into "survival thinking" as I called it. It was kinda like an aggressive from of depression, a black anger. Like the frontal lobes, your civilized reasoning ability just leaves you and you thinking about survival at all costs to everyone and everything.

I ceased to respect other peoples property or money, I started taking risks, I stopped caring for my appearance. I just thought about food, water, warmth and shelter. I begged, blagged and did soft crime. Trying to get the best energy kick from the foods I "acquired" and the like. However, when you are properly poor you cant afford to eat healthily and that damages your mind too.

When everything that you had hoped for seems lost and everything that you were going to live for seems gone, it damages your character and it takes a long time to heal and get your soul back.

If there was a "major event" I am sure there would be many more people around like that.

The more I try and look after myself with some basic provisions, kelley kettle and all that jazz, the less likely I am going to become one of those zombies.

Whatever you can do to stop yourself from losing your stability, do it. In so doing, you are protecting yourself against immoral behavior in the future.

Whatever you can do as far as spirituality and religion is concerned (even atheists have a spirituality), make sure you have books about it and can refer back to them at any time.

Brilliant post Nick, couldn't agree more.

It's easy to get caught up in the bullshit and bravado (especially when seated in your favourite armchair)
but it's pure cognitive dissonance, 'I can do bad things but I'm still a good person'
the next step's to try and buy off your conscience with delusions that the victim must be somehow bad,
at which point you've totally lost grip of reality...

Besides, people 'doing what they have to, to survive' doesn't just entail 'law of the jungle, male fantasies'
...As Selco notes in his blog post 'Types of real survivalists: 3. The Slaves or Servants'
http://shtfschool.com/gangs/types-of-re ... -servants/

[redskies]

Oops, forgot to add the bit for my wee * up there.


* I'm not wiccan. Nor yet, pagan. I'm what they call an ecclectic/kitchen/hedge witch. I was over 25 before I found out there's a 'label' for what I am!

[Arzosah]

Hedge witch! Lovely

[ForgeCorvus]

Oops, forgot to add the bit for my wee * up there.


* I'm not wiccan. Nor yet, pagan. I'm what they call an ecclectic/kitchen/hedge witch. I was over 25 before I found out there's a 'label' for what I am!

Oh, hi there

I'm an Independent Neo-Pagan* pleased to 'meet' you, perhaps I should start a thread on the subject of faith.....Its a Prep too (a mental one)
They say that each Jew is his own sect, you could say that of Pagans.



*I'm not into all the Rites and Rituals or the dressing up


Edited To Add

I've just had a look at the site rules. "No discussion of religion " and anything beyond saying "I'm a pissarticostalist" could be called discussion, perhaps we should take this to PM ?

[Cocotte]

It's easy to get caught up in the bullshit and bravado (especially when seated in your favourite armchair)
but it's pure cognitive dissonance, 'I can do bad things but I'm still a good person'
the next step's to try and buy off your conscience with delusions that the victim must be somehow bad,
at which point you've totally lost grip of reality...

Besides, people 'doing what they have to, to survive' doesn't just entail 'law of the jungle, male fantasies'
...As Selco notes in his blog post 'Types of real survivalists: 3. The Slaves or Servants'
http://shtfschool.com/gangs/types-of-re ... -servants/

To me there is no "right" or "wrong", merely actions and consequences. Those consequences may be beneficial or detrimental, but morality is simply a restrictive means of thinking that we are taught. Then again, being a sociopath may be influencing that view point.

[Triple_sod]

To me there is no "right" or "wrong", merely actions and consequences. Those consequences may be beneficial or detrimental, but morality is simply a restrictive means of thinking that we are taught. Then again, being a sociopath may be influencing that view point.

Ah but isn't that a self-detonating statement as by claiming 'there is no right or wrong',
you are indeed asserting that the concept is objectively...wrong.

Kinda like at school when teachers would tell you to,
'think for yourself rather than doing what others tell you'

Although beneficial or detrimental perhaps isn't a bad way of looking at it,
certainly 'birds of a feather, flock together',

Thus the consequence of rejecting morality is being surrounded by those who either;
share that world view and see you as a mere pawn on their chessboard,
or else are too 'soft in the head' as to realize that is your game.

....Not exactly 'A-team' material in a survival situation.

[2ndRateMind]

To me there is no "right" or "wrong", merely actions and consequences. Those consequences may be beneficial or detrimental, but morality is simply a restrictive means of thinking that we are taught...

Well, I believe in right and wrong, but I take a very human centred point of view about it. I've very little time for old fashioned moralities, by which I mean moralities that are moral 'Because God says so', or 'Because that's the way it's always been'. For me, humans are (chief among those) animals with interests. Broadly speaking, things done to further their best interests are good and right, while things done against those interests (especially when harm is caused) are bad and wrong. It gets more complicated than that, because you have to weigh up interests in the short, medium and long term, and you have to try and reconcile the interests of each individual against each other, and against those of the family, community, society and humanity as a whole. Despite the complications, though, it's a perspective that works for me, and I wouldn't see it changing post cataclysmic, modern-western-society-ending event.

Best wishes, 2RM.