Preppering NOT to survive?

[cpslashm]

I can see situations where suicide/euthanasia may be desirable. If I have an infected torso injury, I am in agony, dwindling medical supplies and other resources are being used up to try to postpone my inevitable demise, would I not rather go quickly than reduce the survival chances of my family/community?

Some things like paracetamol overdose can kill by liver failure which can be very painful for days.

Michael Portillo looked into capital punishment (Horizon: How to Kill a Human Being) and came to the conclusion that if you have to go, hypoxia is the way to do it. See his experience in a decompression chamber. So a bottle of inert gas (e.g. nitrogen) and a facemask would be the way to go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opoXYh38ymM

Of course, a strategy to avoid this decision is to have a set of practical health and safety rules, rigorously practice them (prevention is better than cure), be trained in A&E skills and have a mountain of medical preps.

And counselling skills for the healthy who still want to kill themselves.

[grenfell]

I'd tend to say that rather than an actual plan (or as wise preppers plans A, B, C etc) for an end we should be sensible enough to understand and accept the possibility that such an action may come eventually .

[grenfell]

........ I agree we will do whatever it takes, but then that applies to the 64.1 million people living in the UK. The same 64.1 million people who rely on food from the supermarkets that are hugely stocked on demand from foreign import. If an event disrupts the flow of food within a week or two we have potentially have a lawless society where our animal instinct takes over.

Interesting that you mention imported food as we have just pasted the point we could have fed ourselves to
http://www.farmersguardian.com/home/lat ... 75.article

[kizzie]

I'd tend to say that rather than an actual plan (or as wise preppers plans A, B, C etc) for an end we should be sensible enough to understand and accept the possibility that such an action may come eventually .

I have a 2nd and 3rd plan, to me is common sense, or maybe down to my age. for as long as the sun shines on me and as long as I can grow food then I will stick around but if that option isnt there then I will go, leaving the younger, fitter, fighters out there to carry on the fight to survive.

But how would I feel knowing I had survived something that my children and grandchildren havn't or thinking about them lost somewhere. The thought actually kills me inside, but will the fact be enough to tip me over.

That is something none of us know until we face it. but yes I have the plan and means to put that plan into place. For me that might help me survive longer.

[charliec]

........ I agree we will do whatever it takes, but then that applies to the 64.1 million people living in the UK. The same 64.1 million people who rely on food from the supermarkets that are hugely stocked on demand from foreign import. If an event disrupts the flow of food within a week or two we have potentially have a lawless society where our animal instinct takes over.

Interesting that you mention imported food as we have just pasted the point we could have fed ourselves to
http://www.farmersguardian.com/home/lat ... 75.article

Thanks for the link grenfell, I hadn't read that.... It certainly highlights the need to get back to farming in this country! I personally have very little idea about farming methods like crop rotation etc. I've tried growing a few vegetables in the garden and found out its not as simple as putting a few seeds in the ground.

An event that resulted in limited food would see a mass migration of millions of people from the cities into the countryside with the hope that food would be plentiful. If we can produce enough food for everyone than I think we have a chance.

[shutter speed]

this is a very interesting topic, but perhaps if all was definitely lost then ? but id remember a short scene from the old movie stargate. one of the main actors kirt russel had lost his son to a freak gun accident and he leads a commando unit through the stargate to find a slave race and a nasty so called god. kirt russel is dwelling on his sons death and courting his own! I think the other actor james spader says to him (I don't want to die, these people don't want to die, its a shame you are in such a hurry to) basically the guy is torn apart by the loss of his son, but if is son were able to talk to him he would probably have said that he was gone but he would want his dad to live. (no one knows as some have said, how if faced with such a situation how they would react) I myself would most likely go the way kirt russel went but his sons last thoughts of him would have been the brave soldier his dad was. ie not scared of any man or any thing, yet he is now scared of life itself. hope this makes sense?

[DustyDog]

I really cannot ever imagine the thought of giving up on my life and taking it, as with most people my survival instinct is very strong, as others have said here too, it would be very hard to live, knowing that other loved ones may not have survived but, if we give up, why bother prepping in the first place, just lie back and let whatever it is come. I for one, with my family, will not be lying back, i will prepping the best my limited budget allows until whatever shtf arrives and then will do what i can to get through it.

[kizzie]

I really cannot ever imagine the thought of giving up on my life and taking it, as with most people my survival instinct is very strong, as others have said here too, it would be very hard to live, knowing that other loved ones may not have survived but, if we give up, why bother prepping in the first place, just lie back and let whatever it is come. I for one, with my family, will not be lying back, i will prepping the best my limited budget allows until whatever shtf arrives and then will do what i can to get through it.

I'm sure we are all prepping to survive. Its just some of us think its a sensible option to have another "none survival" plan. Probably never use it, but having the option there could keep some of us alive longer.

[junmist]

I was rereading this post and suddenly remembered my Dad who worked on the secret tunnels in London when we had the cold wars( and no he never told, so I don't know where they are) but I remember when we moved he made sure we would be as near to the fall out area's as possible, his reckoning was that his family would not be allowed in the shelters and he did not want us to suffer so he was prepping not to survive.

[DustyDog]

I suppose i can see why people would want a none survival strategy, but i guess that my own instinct for survival is very high and the thought of taking my own life is just so against all i believe in, but this thread is food for thought and very thought provoking.