Storing v hoarding

[FEISTY]

I was looking for threads re what's happening in Venezuela. I'm hoping it wasn't an April Fool's joke, but I gather hoarding has become a crime, they are bringing in a "voluntary" fingerprint and ID card scheme in order to buy food, rationing and anyone who is hoarding may have their stuff appropriated in times of emergency. In the US, preppers there are concerned that Obama is putting in place laws to allow the army, etc, to enter your home without a warrant and appropriate "excessive" stores or items required by the state. DD and I were wondering how on earth we could hide the stuff we have, distribute our mounting stash to different locations and not give the government the heads up that we're preppers, ie not use loyalty cards and use cash when shopping for large amounts. My worry is that by shopping in certain locations on-line, eg evaQ8.co.uk using a card of any kind, the government will just be able to go through the customer list and home straight in on us. It's a dead giveaway. What do you all think about this?

[preppingsu]

I started a new thread about this as it could lead to some very interesting discussions.

[lonewolf]

first of all define "excessive"? in this day and age when I see people in the supermarket with heaving trolleys, my purchases look pitifully small compared to them, and you know half that food they bought will be thrown out as it will reach the use by date before they have chance to eat it. if something like this concerns you then pay cash for everything, buy it yourself don't have it delivered and ditch the loyalty cards. watch your OPSEC and buy little and often, don't let the neighbours see you carrying large boxes of food from the car to the house, things like that.

[Plymtom]

I started a new thread about this as it could lead to some very interesting discussions.

Are you going to drop in mine and Lonewolf's additions from the other thread too Su? the post we were addressing is gone there now, and to be honest my thought's are evolving with the discussion, dunno what LW thinks but I think it would look more appropriate here

[preppingsu]

I started a new thread about this as it could lead to some very interesting discussions.

Are you going to drop in mine and Lonewolf's additions from the other thread too Su? the post we were addressing is gone there now, and to be honest my thought's are evolving with the discussion, dunno what LW thinks but I think it would look more appropriate here

I would, I've tried but I am not sure how too.... hopefully one of the other mods will....

[Plymtom]

I started a new thread about this as it could lead to some very interesting discussions.

Are you going to drop in mine and Lonewolf's additions from the other thread too Su? the post we were addressing is gone there now, and to be honest my thought's are evolving with the discussion, dunno what LW thinks but I think it would look more appropriate here

I would, I've tried but I am not sure how too.... hopefully one of the other mods will....

Thanks for trying

[jansman]

first of all define "excessive"? in this day and age when I see people in the supermarket with heaving trolleys, my purchases look pitifully small compared to them, and you know half that food they bought will be thrown out as it will reach the use by date before they have chance to eat it. if something like this concerns you then pay cash for everything, buy it yourself don't have it delivered and ditch the loyalty cards. watch your OPSEC and buy little and often, don't let the neighbours see you carrying large boxes of food from the car to the house, things like that.

Bang on!
My own storage is spread over 4 areas. If, IF, the PTB came door knocking, I have mixtures of foodstuffs in 10 gallon barrels ready to bury/hide. How could they confiscate my garden? Would they even know what it was?
Food for thought(if you will forgive the pun! ).

[Sussexnoob]

If you think you could hide cans and vacuumed sealed foods in the walls behind plaster board in your home if you have stud walls, I know it sounds crazy but who is going to come in your house and literally tear it apart? Or you could remove the ceiling below your loft and board it in then plater board over to create the ceiling look then store your food equipment ect in the floor cavity and then board the loft out.

Now I totally agree that my opinion is absolutely crazy but I personally don't think the uk government would ever do anything like that as it would cause riots....

[Plymtom]

I think it was in the film "threads" where they demonstrated the idea of making people share their, well everything really with strangers, and in reality local authorities have emergency powers and strategies, I don't know what they all are I don't put much stock in them either because like everyone their plans have to change to suit the occasion, to coin a phrase rather than putting all my eggs in one basket, I plan to leave them on the shelf and have different baskets, reacting in the manner we see fit.

[FEISTY]

If you think you could hide cans and vacuumed sealed foods in the walls behind plaster board in your home if you have stud walls, I know it sounds crazy but who is going to come in your house and literally tear it apart? Or you could remove the ceiling below your loft and board it in then plater board over to create the ceiling look then store your food equipment ect in the floor cavity and then board the loft out.

Now I totally agree that my opinion is absolutely crazy but I personally don't think the uk government would ever do anything like that as it would cause riots....

I know what you mean by sounding crazy, but we may have to think seriously about how to conserve our preps. When you think that society really doesn't value people who've prepared financially for old age (taking it back off them for the care they're supposed to have already paid for with their NI contributions!), they're not going to appreciate the minority of people who've prepared for other eventualities. What will happen is that they will think they're "entitled" to have what's yours. If you look at it this way, as an owner of a limited number of rented properties, the public perception is that people who own stuff are dirty thieving Bs (they may actually be subsidising the tenant, but who cares about that, right) and it's OK to trash their property and not pay them for the service they've provided, costing that person hundreds or, even, thousands of pounds, as opposed to being thrown in the clink immediately if they shoplift a loaf of bread from Tesco or the corner shop. It's all to do with public perception. So, getting to my point ... It's only the minority of people who prep, so why would the rest of society care if we have our stuff taken. They are definitely not going to stand up for us, especially if they might benefit from our preparedness. I can get my head around rabid, starving individuals wanting a few of my cans of beans and being prepared to fight us for them, but it would make me mad as a box of frogs if the authorities, whom we are supposed to trust to defend us (don't laugh !) come in and steal our stuff. To the general population, you will be in the same situation as most landlords in that people don't care if you get stuffed by the powers that be. Perhaps doing what we do has given us a different perspective.