Indefensible Food Wealth !

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jennyjj01
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jansman wrote: Wed Apr 06, 2022 4:25 pm Most people don’t know how,nor do they want to,kill and deal with dead animals. I won’t judge anyone for that,as it IS a specialised job.I have had for two weeks a former chef working with me. He came in as a mature butchery apprentice. At the weekend he walked. He couldn’t hack it,and I understood,as it ain’t for everyone.It was the carcasses that did him. We have become sanitised from real things as a society,and as I mentioned ,back in the day ,people knew what is not known now. What concerns me is that in a crunch,people will ATTEMPT to hunt or trap,and animal welfare will suffer. I know that statement from a fishing,hunting butcher is something of a paradox,but my trade and sports are governed by welfare for the animals involved. As it should be.
sorry Jansman, but if a street of hungry people has ONE person skilled in skinning a critter, then the critter's days are numbered. One guy who can recognise a mature spud., It won't take long for raiding parties to form.
I envisage two competitions... Owner versus raider and raider Vs earlier raider
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jennyjj01 wrote: Wed Apr 06, 2022 5:01 pm
jansman wrote: Wed Apr 06, 2022 4:25 pm Most people don’t know how,nor do they want to,kill and deal with dead animals. I won’t judge anyone for that,as it IS a specialised job.I have had for two weeks a former chef working with me. He came in as a mature butchery apprentice. At the weekend he walked. He couldn’t hack it,and I understood,as it ain’t for everyone.It was the carcasses that did him. We have become sanitised from real things as a society,and as I mentioned ,back in the day ,people knew what is not known now. What concerns me is that in a crunch,people will ATTEMPT to hunt or trap,and animal welfare will suffer. I know that statement from a fishing,hunting butcher is something of a paradox,but my trade and sports are governed by welfare for the animals involved. As it should be.
sorry Jansman, but if a street of hungry people has ONE person skilled in skinning a critter, then the critter's days are numbered. One guy who can recognise a mature spud., It won't take long for raiding parties to form.
I envisage two competitions... Owner versus raider and raider Vs earlier raider
Anyone wants anything ‘sorting out’ in my street will pay! I don’t work for nothing now,and I won’t then. Let’s just say that you wouldn’t argue with my demand for payment. :mrgreen:
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jennyjj01 wrote: Wed Apr 06, 2022 5:01 pm if a street of hungry people has ONE person skilled in skinning a critter, then the critter's days are numbered. One guy who can recognise a mature spud., It won't take long for raiding parties to form.
I envisage two competitions... Owner versus raider and raider Vs earlier raider
Or another scenerio would be for a very small core of people doing the actual raiding and then selling it on to those less willing or able to poach themselves. In reality pretty much the same as the scrotes nicking catalytic converters. They don't nick them to use themselves , they nick them to sell.
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There will be would-be poachers who have no skill at all at preparing an animal to be eaten by humans, and will make a terrible waste of half the meat. A lot of overlap with the kind of people jansman describes, who'll try to kill, but do it badly and leave an animal in suffering.

Or yes, there'll be gangs, or sub-contractors. There'll be a lot of different things going on, just like there are now :(
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:mrgreen: true. My younger son is a falconer and has hunted, shot and fished since he was 14. Tried a wee bit poaching once when he was at school, but got grabbed by the bailiffs who shoved him in the back of a Land Rover and drove him around a bit - while telling him tales of all the poachers who had "accidentally drowned" when caught... then chucked him head first into a pile of manure. :twisted: He decided to give up poaching and just fish instead.
Then we had one Xmas eve and a quiet knock on the back door, very late at night. Neighbour stood there with a very big, very dead, snow white goose under his coat (but the feet dangling out of the bottom.) Asked me if I fancied goose for xmas dinner. I looked at all those feathers and said no thanks I've got a steak pie :mrgreen:
Stick to what you know is spot on JM :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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I've only ever done a bit of mackerel fishing towing a line behind a boat. But when we catch them I try and kill them quickly and effectively. My daughters rolled their eyes and laughed in scorn at me saying I didn't want any creature to suffer if I could avoid it as I bashed it firmly with the priest but I knew what I meant. Fish aren't hard to kill and gut. I would tremble at the thought I might inflict suffering on an animal
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diamond lil wrote: Wed Apr 06, 2022 6:40 pm :mrgreen: true. My younger son is a falconer and has hunted, shot and fished since he was 14. Tried a wee bit poaching once when he was at school, but got grabbed by the bailiffs who shoved him in the back of a Land Rover and drove him around a bit - while telling him tales of all the poachers who had "accidentally drowned" when caught... then chucked him head first into a pile of manure. :twisted: He decided to give up poaching and just fish instead.
Then we had one Xmas eve and a quiet knock on the back door, very late at night. Neighbour stood there with a very big, very dead, snow white goose under his coat (but the feet dangling out of the bottom.) Asked me if I fancied goose for xmas dinner. I looked at all those feathers and said no thanks I've got a steak pie :mrgreen:
Stick to what you know is spot on JM :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Your boy would have done well with me and John,and the lurchers.We had fun! When Jan packed up work with our first daughter,we were strapped for cash. My best dog ,Sid, could earn me fifty quid a week in rabbits up to Christmas.Simple days.
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mbbaltic wrote: Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:11 pm I've only ever done a bit of mackerel fishing towing a line behind a boat. But when we catch them I try and kill them quickly and effectively. My daughters rolled their eyes and laughed in scorn at me saying I didn't want any creature to suffer if I could avoid it as I bashed it firmly with the priest but I knew what I meant. Fish aren't hard to kill and gut. I would tremble at the thought I might inflict suffering on an animal
Well done you! I firmly believe that if we eat animals ,then we should ( I won’t use another phrase) kill them in as humane a way as possible. American Indians,Namibian Bushmen,Australian Aborigines ,all traditionally thanked or prayed,for the animal whose life they had taken.

I have ,as a butcher/ slaughterman,hunter,angler,taken many animal lives. That doesn’t dull my morals though. Humanity must always be applied.
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Someone I used to work with used to keep breeding rabbits in a big shed and dispatched, skinned them and prepared their pelts. Made quite a tidy sum by all accounts.
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Mad Scientist wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 7:41 pm Someone I used to work with used to keep breeding rabbits in a big shed and dispatched, skinned them and prepared their pelts. Made quite a tidy sum by all accounts.
I do now.
In three words I can sum up everything I have learned about life: It goes on.

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