coming crisis in farming

[Cocotte]

...I only have one experience of that, not long after I turned veggie.... I didn't have very many Swiss francs though, so I reverted to meat eating - double cheeseburger and chips at McDonalds I'm not kidding. Needs must

Don't worry.
It's been decades since McDs have had meat in their patties.

[jansman]

GillyBee, Lil has the rights of it, I'm not offended at all - there's absolutely a sort of online vegetarian that really can be described as evangelical, I find it appalling. As you say, it's actually mostly vegans - yep, appalling is the word that keeps on coming back to me!

For me, I'm surrounded by meat eaters everywhere and I consider one of my best buddies on here to be jansman, who's a butcher, after all

In conditions of need, there's a lot to be said for meat eating, such a concentrated protein. I only have one experience of that, not long after I turned veggie. I was on a train journey from Athens back to the UK, and I stopped off in Basle, which I knew slightly, and knew I could find a good bed close to the station, and I was *so* hungry for a good meal. I didn't have very many Swiss francs though, so I reverted to meat eating - double cheeseburger and chips at McDonalds I'm not kidding. Needs must

Plus, a quick note on WWII cookery - my mum was an evacuee from Liverpool to rural Herefordshire. She put on half a stone in two weeks, farmers were allowed to keep milk etc for their own use, and their market gardens were big. Later on, when she was at an evacuated Liverpool teacher training college in the Lake District, her diet was more like the usual wartime fare, and at 5' 8", she weighed 8 stone - there was absolutely nothing of her!

Butchers joke: How do you tell a Vegan? You don’t,’cos they always tell you!

Joking aside though, I reckon we will have to start ( as a society) to adapt and adopt a more omnivorous diet. Personally,I have access to some of the best meat available. However, my wife was never a huge fan of meat, and we don’t eat that much if I am honest. Never chicken- we keep chickens,and The Duchess links the two! Last night we had a paneer and chickpea curry. Tonight my lovely wife is having a spicy vegetarian pasta,me,a rabbit I shot in the lovely Winter sunshine yesterday afternoon along with spuds and carrots I grew,and tomorrow we will probably have a Spanish omelette ( we have lots of eggs!). That’s how we rock. Vegetarian I *get*- and enjoy . Vegan is … well I ain’t starting a debate.

The rationed diet of World War 2 was vegetable- heavy. Especially Spuds. We may well have to get back there. Meat will be a treat.Literally. Right now, the declining economy may well dictate where we go long- term. I work in a ( very)wealthy area,and I am noticing a subtle change in buying habits.In short: we are selling less meat.This will become mainstream in the coming times.

Gas is expensive.Fertiliser is a derivative of gas. Diesel is expensive.It follows that if inputs get dearer,so will food. We will have to be more creative,and absolutely LESS wasteful. Probably not such a bad thing.We are still in a land of plenty. Problem is,there is a massive divide in the haves and have- nots.
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[Arzosah]

...I only have one experience of that, not long after I turned veggie.... I didn't have very many Swiss francs though, so I reverted to meat eating - double cheeseburger and chips at McDonalds I'm not kidding. Needs must

Don't worry.
It's been decades since McDs have had meat in their patties.

It was decades ago, I confess

[Arzosah]

Butchers joke: How do you tell a Vegan? You don’t,’cos they always tell you!

So true!

Joking aside though, I reckon we will have to start ( as a society) to adapt and adopt a more omnivorous diet. Personally,I have access to some of the best meat available. However, my wife was never a huge fan of meat, and we don’t eat that much if I am honest. Never chicken- we keep chickens,and The Duchess links the two! Last night we had a paneer and chickpea curry. Tonight my lovely wife is having a spicy vegetarian pasta,me,a rabbit I shot in the lovely Winter sunshine yesterday afternoon along with spuds and carrots I grew,and tomorrow we will probably have a Spanish omelette ( we have lots of eggs!). That’s how we rock. Vegetarian I *get*- and enjoy . Vegan is … well I ain’t starting a debate.

Omnivorous is the focus, absolutely - we evolved that way. Your meal yesterday sounds amazing - rabbit, spuds and carrots all your own. I'm not going to tell you how cute it is that you won't eat your chickens

The rationed diet of World War 2 was vegetable- heavy. Especially Spuds. We may well have to get back there. Meat will be a treat.Literally. Right now, the declining economy may well dictate where we go long- term. I work in a ( very)wealthy area,and I am noticing a subtle change in buying habits.In short: we are selling less meat.This will become mainstream in the coming times.

Wow, even in the wealthy areas? That's important.

Gas is expensive.Fertiliser is a derivative of gas. Diesel is expensive.It follows that if inputs get dearer,so will food. We will have to be more creative,and absolutely LESS wasteful. Probably not such a bad thing.We are still in a land of plenty. Problem is,there is a massive divide in the haves and have- nots.

Those are the two issues of immediate need - less waste, and some effort to lessen the inequality that's got worse and worse. We *are* still one of the wealthiest countries in the world, still in the top ten, I think, but you really wouldn't know it from the lived experience of most people.

[jansman]

Butchers joke: How do you tell a Vegan? You don’t,’cos they always tell you!

So true!

Joking aside though, I reckon we will have to start ( as a society) to adapt and adopt a more omnivorous diet. Personally,I have access to some of the best meat available. However, my wife was never a huge fan of meat, and we don’t eat that much if I am honest. Never chicken- we keep chickens,and The Duchess links the two! Last night we had a paneer and chickpea curry. Tonight my lovely wife is having a spicy vegetarian pasta,me,a rabbit I shot in the lovely Winter sunshine yesterday afternoon along with spuds and carrots I grew,and tomorrow we will probably have a Spanish omelette ( we have lots of eggs!). That’s how we rock. Vegetarian I *get*- and enjoy . Vegan is … well I ain’t starting a debate.

Omnivorous is the focus, absolutely - we evolved that way. Your meal yesterday sounds amazing - rabbit, spuds and carrots all your own. I'm not going to tell you how cute it is that you won't eat your chickens

The rationed diet of World War 2 was vegetable- heavy. Especially Spuds. We may well have to get back there. Meat will be a treat.Literally. Right now, the declining economy may well dictate where we go long- term. I work in a ( very)wealthy area,and I am noticing a subtle change in buying habits.In short: we are selling less meat.This will become mainstream in the coming times.

Wow, even in the wealthy areas? That's important.

Gas is expensive.Fertiliser is a derivative of gas. Diesel is expensive.It follows that if inputs get dearer,so will food. We will have to be more creative,and absolutely LESS wasteful. Probably not such a bad thing.We are still in a land of plenty. Problem is,there is a massive divide in the haves and have- nots.

Those are the two issues of immediate need - less waste, and some effort to lessen the inequality that's got worse and worse. We *are* still one of the wealthiest countries in the world, still in the top ten, I think, but you really wouldn't know it from the lived experience of most people.

The fact we have food banks in our rich country,really boils my piss! Why?

[Stonecarver]

Just have to look at the wealth concentration figures too see most people aren't even well off and are scraping by pay check to pay check

[Stonecarver]

Even so called mildly wealthy are more often property rich and cash poor. Living far beyond their means

[jansman]

Even so called mildly wealthy are more often property rich and cash poor. Living far beyond their means

Indeed.I often say of neighbours to my wife,” how do they afford that?”, when they have the latest motor,or fly away for the third time in a year…

[Vitamin c]

Britain a wealthy country. .. well 1% of us yes because if your Rich where would you live invest not in Sudan in a stable western country you can afford to jet of to the sun and pay sly accountso to legally avoid tax unlike the rest of us.
Most in the UK have a good standard of living but are not rich .
If all that iffy Russians (add corrupt country of choice )money who are allowed to invest here .

[grenfell]

How do they afford it? Probably by remortgaging and being constantly in debt. Well that's how my sister in law works anyway. I've told the story of how when her marriage broke down she moved from Scotland and lived with us and then later got her own place. We paid for 2/3 of the house she lives in and paid it off as quickly as possible. Sil now owes more than the original amount of her share. Despite working at a bank for all of the time she says she can't manage on her wages and so just keeps extending the mortgage again and again.
Going back on topic there are now grants available for "rewilding" which could take marginal land out of production or if one is cynical a nice little earner if you have land that has been intensively farmed to the point of being almost useless without the injection of huge amounts of expensive and probably chemical fertiliser.