Community as preperations?

[the-gnole]

Well D&C is the most likely place to head for, from a sustainable living point of view, won't take much to shift the yokels just offer them a glass of rough scrump and add some tranquilisers

[bulldogeagle]

Well D&C is the most likely place to head for, from a sustainable living point of view, won't take much to shift the yokels just offer them a glass of rough scrump and add some tranquilisers

the days of the village idiot with straw hanging out the corner of his mouth are long gone, most places down here are full of incomers from London & the home counties, the locals cant afford the house prices!

[the-gnole]

Well D&C is the most likely place to head for, from a sustainable living point of view, won't take much to shift the yokels just offer them a glass of rough scrump and add some tranquilisers

the days of the village idiot with straw hanging out the corner of his mouth are long gone, most places down here are full of incomers from London & the home counties, the locals cant afford the house prices!

I guess there is always an exception to the rule though

[bulldogeagle]

I guess there is always an exception to the rule though

dont you go looking at me like that!

[diamond lil]

South to the hordes of starving people and the overcowded filthy cities and the lack of water? Wouldn't be my choice gnoley! I'm far better placed up here in my hills
And I think survival by its very nature is a selfish instinct - sooner or later the group would be faced with choosing who to drop and who to help, with all the attendant drama that involves. I think being alone or in a family group is a much better option

[the-gnole]

Glad someone will be up there behind that big wall the Romans built, you guys and girls know how to get the best out of the climate you live in, so "Keep calm and carry on" the rest of us will send you up a bar of something every now and then.

For there to be a move south (being Devon and Cornwall) Here is a map of where D&C is for those who probably don't really get out much

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there would have to be a huge population die off anyway, as there wouldn't be any point otherwise, there wouldn't necessarily be hoardes of dirty and starving people left to wander around like Zombies, plenty of water still flows whether there is an apocolyptic event or not, so we'll have plenty to drink, better than sucking ice in the frozen northlands trying to dig the frozen peat for a fire or nailing the windows shut in the high winds.

Small communities will bode far better than small imbalanced groups or individuals, yes there will be disagreements in any setup, but if there is a small group the effect will be greater than in a small community, but it depends on the semantics of what size a small community is compared to a small group.

Hopefully "time will not tell" but knowing where is going to be better to thrive, rather than survive is going to make a big difference.

Of course if you live in the North YMMV

[dibley]

I think you are right the idea of a community working together sounds foolish The short term is not an issue as I agree it is better to stay in and look after the family. Yet long term it would require some organisation to harvest the wheat as farming without fuel for the tractors is labour intensive.

I do think that population would take a hit as many elderly rely on there 10 or twenty pills a day to keep them going plus a proportion who take medicines like beta blockers insulin and warferin. This would be an emotionally challenging time for many who have elderly parents next door or in the town. ( I dont even want to think about what to do about the 8 nursing homes we have)

Sadly I feel there is not going to be a neat solution to this, but if by doing something and imperfectly manage to get a community to pool skills and manage the land. Then here at least maybe something can be achieved with many more surviving and even starting to grow.

The alternative could be who has the most food stored lives.
Yet after it settles down who will be around with the skills to farm, to make things, or a medic or an electrician to tap the wind farms. I don't know what the correct answer is and I don't want you think i am against anyone who wants to bug out or bug in I don't think that will be the area of discontent, it will be those who think they have a right to eat without working.

But coming back to community, organizations like the churchs working together I think enough will want to come together and try to do something for the town. There is not a good answer to those who are refuges I hope it is not me in the Hot seat having to decide what to do.
Finally than the alternative is ......a mass transit to cornwall where the welcome is warm. I guess we will have to borrow a steam train.

[skippy]

I dont think the idea of a community working together is foolish at all...
I think that in a crisis situation (flood, fire, weather etc etc) the community resource is a great one and will no doubt time and time again prove its worth for those senarios.

But ..... and its a big but (not mine ) there is a limit to the effectivness of such a community group as you have suggested. The limit is, that it works great while there are the supplies either on site or being delivered of food, water, clothing, power etc.
What happens when these things run out or stop arriving is that you have a large group of people who have effectivly made no effort to secure their own survival and have been relying on handouts and who now have to scrabble and scrape together a plan to keep them alive.
They could have been doing that from the start rather then relying on the state or church handouts which have just dried up.
If they had started (ideally long before the emergency) earlier to procure the necessary supplies, information and mindset to secure their own future .....well they wouldnt be in such a mess.

So yes the church or community group is a great benifit and help in a crisis where The snow melts or the flood waters subside or the chemical works fire is extinguished. then the evacuees can go back home, take stock and phone the insurance company.
But if the shit hits the fan ??????


Just as a thought apropos of nothing - Another form of community is the preppers community, sharing info, techniques, tips and plans or even BOLs to help our fellows to survive and thrive whatever life throws at them. Well I never.... what is the world coming to! A forum that works at that level is not to be sneezed at.

Skippy

[bulldogeagle]

I think that LARGE communities or groups (after the big event) are a no-no, i know that a lot of people say this will give us a large labour force but then we would need to grow a lot MORE because we would have MORE mouths to feed, i think smaller groups are the way to go, say a maximum of 10, this would probably be best as an extended family group and close friends-people we KNOW we can trust. i think initially a lot of people would settle around the coast, that is where a lot of the original settlements were formed and where food is available.

[buttystella]

growing wheat etc after SHTF will be a no no in my HO because allotment type food production units are more productive. Also when crops fail on an allotment other crops are close at hand, not so with huge areas of corn.
With larger groups of people you have a good chance of covering many skill sets which gives you a better chance of survival. In the end it will come down to food and water and how these needs are met. Luck is going to play a huge part and us preppers are trying to make our own.