Maybe it could be a prepper challenge, how little water can you use in 24 hours
Water Storage.
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TomW
Re: Water Storage.
I reckon you *could* get by on 5l a day. That allows 2 litres for drinking straight up, 1 for cooking purposes and 2 for washing body and crockery. If you had to you could slim that down further again.
Maybe it could be a prepper challenge, how little water can you use in 24 hours
Maybe it could be a prepper challenge, how little water can you use in 24 hours
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Rosesandtea
Re: Water Storage.
2 IBCs by your calculations will not even get us through one month!Ian wrote:Roseandtea.
I think the thing to do is to have the IBCs but ignore the rain topup in your calculations and treat the rainfall as a bonus.
e.g. 2 IBCs = 2,000 litres: divide by 10litres/person/day emergency ration (the destitute poor in India use 20 litres/person/day for comparison) = 200 persondays: divide by family i.e. five = 40 days maximum but in reality probably less than a month.
You will need another 2 tonnes of water to get through the next month. That is a lot of rain.
My other problem, is that if things were really that bad, I have loads of neighbors who would notice said IBCs and demand or take some off us.
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the-gnole
Re: Water Storage.
You might need to bury them, the spare soil could be used for raised bedsRosesandtea wrote:2 IBCs by your calculations will not even get us through one month! My other problem, is that if things were really that bad, I have loads of neighbors who would notice said IBCs and demand or take some off us.
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Ian
Re: Water Storage.
The-gnole,
The foul up at the Gloucestershire floods with water supply has been taken to heart by all of the water authorities and their plans have greatly changed. You will not see such things again. But. The distribution of water manually is difficult and the logistics are horrendous so I expect there will be other new problems which raise their heads. I wonder if we as a group might hold the answers, or some of them. Adopt your road and distribute the supplies perhaps. Keep a list of those that cannot get to the collection points and offer to go for them (you will need an authority from them, no ID, no water, in some cases. It is essentially an insurmountable problem. Suggestions seriously welcome.
TomW
Five litres is not much especially when sanitation has to be taken into account for an extended time. Most of the population have no alternative than their WC, taking three to five litres per flush. One flush a day per household is not really enough to keep the system flowing beyond a week or so and that is one person's ration gone per day anyway. We have an old PortaPotty bought for a fiver which uses a minimal amount of water but it still needs disposal every so often down a manhole into a sewer that needs water to keep running. Perhaps the rainfall can be redirected into it to help it flow. But one PortaPotty won't service an entire road.
Roseandtea,
Do you have a water meter on your supply? If so it is very educational to read it daily at the same time for about a week or ten days and see what your typical consumption is and then imagine getting by on 10 or 20 litres/person/day. Frightening.
The foul up at the Gloucestershire floods with water supply has been taken to heart by all of the water authorities and their plans have greatly changed. You will not see such things again. But. The distribution of water manually is difficult and the logistics are horrendous so I expect there will be other new problems which raise their heads. I wonder if we as a group might hold the answers, or some of them. Adopt your road and distribute the supplies perhaps. Keep a list of those that cannot get to the collection points and offer to go for them (you will need an authority from them, no ID, no water, in some cases. It is essentially an insurmountable problem. Suggestions seriously welcome.
TomW
Five litres is not much especially when sanitation has to be taken into account for an extended time. Most of the population have no alternative than their WC, taking three to five litres per flush. One flush a day per household is not really enough to keep the system flowing beyond a week or so and that is one person's ration gone per day anyway. We have an old PortaPotty bought for a fiver which uses a minimal amount of water but it still needs disposal every so often down a manhole into a sewer that needs water to keep running. Perhaps the rainfall can be redirected into it to help it flow. But one PortaPotty won't service an entire road.
Roseandtea,
Do you have a water meter on your supply? If so it is very educational to read it daily at the same time for about a week or ten days and see what your typical consumption is and then imagine getting by on 10 or 20 litres/person/day. Frightening.
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the-gnole
Re: Water Storage.
I think you hit the nail square on with "For an extended period"
Most of us on here could survive without certain things for a limited period, but should that be extended then we would be in serious trouble.
Most of us on here could survive without certain things for a limited period, but should that be extended then we would be in serious trouble.
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Furrytired
Re: Water Storage.
What is an IBC? I've looked on the abbreviations listing and it ain't there!
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the-gnole
Re: Water Storage.
It's a 1000ltr water cube
Maybe someone could add
Maybe someone could add
to the listIBC Intermediate Bulk Container
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TomW
Re: Water Storage.
My understanding (and I await correction gladly) is that for the water to be off for an extended period we would probably be looking at a multi service failure. Without power the pump station won't run so sewers will ultimately fail anyway. If we're in the situation where we are using our stored water and being concerned that a 1000l IBC will be insufficient then I for one would be moving to a waste trench/composting toilet system anyway. At which point the 5l mark becomes easily attainable (imo ) Certainly, in a situation long enough to need the system the ops initial figures suggest, you can say goodbye to the faithful wc and welcome back to the outhouse
) Certainly, in a situation long enough to need the system the ops initial figures suggest, you can say goodbye to the faithful wc and welcome back to the outhouse 
Re: Water Storage.
A great set up here in 7 parts from start to finish:
Two is one and one is none, but three is even better.
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the-gnole
Re: Water Storage.
I wondered why he didn't just buy black IBCs instead of wrapping them in black polythene 