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Frnc
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Re: Loans

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jennyjj01 wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:02 pm
Frnc wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 3:11 pm I got a loan for £7500 over 60 months, interest rate is 8.9%. Monthly payment £154.

I've calculated that £101 goes against capital, and £53 is interest. That's about 33% of my payments!

Can someone explain it?

It is like a mortgage, where the interest is all loaded to the early years? Those are a right rip off. I sold a house after paying a mortgage for years, and owed them almost as much as at the start.

If I make overpayments, apparently it changes the duration, not the monthly payment. Obviously the amount owed is less, so the interest is less.
I could explain it thoroughly, but here's the crux. I have to make some assumptions, because you should actually be paying 155.32.....

At the start of the term you owe a lot, the interest due is a lot and your fixed payment covers it with just enough left over to pay down about £99 of capital.
But as the term progresses, you owe less and the interest due each month is less and your fixed payment will pay off a bit more of the outstanding debt.

As daylen said, interest is not 'front loaded' It's just that the more your outstanding balance is, the more interest is due each month and the less your fixed repayment actually repays.

Now Here's an eye opener.....

You pay them 154 x 60 = £9240 which means your loan cost £1740 in interest. Not outrageous. Not fantastic.

Here's a repayment schedule assuming your interest is calculated fresh every month at 12th of the annual amount. Actually your £154 will leave a residual debt of about £100, but this is close enough...
#MonthOutstandingInterest DueCapital Repaid
1750055.3198.69
27401.3154.5899.42
37301.8953.85100.15
47201.7453.11100.89
57100.8552.37101.63
66999.2251.62102.38
76896.8450.86103.14
86793.750.10103.90
96689.849.34104.66
106585.1448.57105.43
116479.7147.79106.21
126373.547107
136266.546.22107.78
146158.7245.42108.58
156050.1444.62109.38
165940.7643.81110.19
175830.5743111
185719.5742.18111.82
195607.7541.36112.64
205495.1140.53113.47
215381.6439.69114.31
225267.3338.85115.15
235152.1838.00116
245036.1837.14116.86
254919.3236.28117.72
264801.635.41118.59
274683.0134.54119.46
284563.5533.66120.34
294443.2132.77121.23
304321.9831.87122.13
314199.8530.97123.03
324076.8230.07123.93
333952.8929.15124.85
343828.0428.23125.77
353702.2727.30126.7
363575.5726.37127.63
373447.9425.43128.57
383319.3724.48129.52
393189.8523.53130.47
403059.3822.56131.44
412927.9421.59132.41
422795.5320.62133.38
432662.1519.63134.37
442527.7818.63135.36
452392.4217.64136.36
462256.0616.64137.36
472118.715.63138.37
481980.3314.60139.4
491840.9313.58140.42
501700.5112.54141.46
511559.0511.50142.5
521416.5510.45143.55
5312739.39144.61
541128.398.32145.68
55982.717.25146.75
56835.966.1147.83
57688.135.07148.93
58539.23.98150.02
59389.182.87151.13
60238.051.76152.24
Cheers for that, very useful. I understand it now. Interest is 8.9% per year. So in the first month I pay 8.9% of £7,500 divided by 12, which is about £55 interest. Second month I pay interest on roughly £7,400. That's fair.

So if I over pay....suppose I pay £1000 off....I'll be jumping forward in that table, paying less interst and more capital each month, right?
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Frnc wrote: Sun Jul 09, 2023 4:10 am
Cheers for that, very useful. I understand it now. Interest is 8.9% per year. So in the first month I pay 8.9% of £7,500 divided by 12, which is about £55 interest. Second month I pay interest on roughly £7,400. That's fair.

So if I over pay....suppose I pay £1000 off....I'll be jumping forward in that table, paying less interst and more capital each month, right?
In a fair and ideal world, yes. But in reality, loan firms can be evil with overpayments, in some cases, just setting them aside as prepayments to be applied against the loan later.... and not giving you any interest, a bit like how our energy providers hung on to Direct Debit overpayments without paying interest.
I have to say frnc, that 8.9% seems quite low and fair value. May I ask if it's secured against your property?
In a high inflation environment, such fixed rate loans can be mathematically beneficial, because we pay them back with money that is worth less and less and presumably easier to earn.
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You might want to join a credit union? At least that way any interest you pay on a loan in future will go to the benefit of the members.ie you and not big business. You do need to have a qualifying attribute such as living locally to the union or working in NHS or in one case a member of the NT
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GillyBee wrote: Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:45 am You might want to join a credit union? At least that way any interest you pay on a loan in future will go to the benefit of the members.ie you and not big business. You do need to have a qualifying attribute such as living locally to the union or working in NHS or in one case a member of the NT
A good idea for engaging with community ready for whatever the world throws our way.
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Re: Loans

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jennyjj01 wrote: Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:35 am
Frnc wrote: Sun Jul 09, 2023 4:10 am
Cheers for that, very useful. I understand it now. Interest is 8.9% per year. So in the first month I pay 8.9% of £7,500 divided by 12, which is about £55 interest. Second month I pay interest on roughly £7,400. That's fair.

So if I over pay....suppose I pay £1000 off....I'll be jumping forward in that table, paying less interst and more capital each month, right?
In a fair and ideal world, yes. But in reality, loan firms can be evil with overpayments, in some cases, just setting them aside as prepayments to be applied against the loan later.... and not giving you any interest, a bit like how our energy providers hung on to Direct Debit overpayments without paying interest.
I have to say frnc, that 8.9% seems quite low and fair value. May I ask if it's secured against your property?
In a high inflation environment, such fixed rate loans can be mathematically beneficial, because we pay them back with money that is worth less and less and presumably easier to earn.
Not secured as such. The do have a clause that says if you fail to make payments, various things may happen, the last one being "legal proceedings may be taken against you which could result in the debt being secured against any property you own."

Re overpayments: "Overpayments and repaying your loan early
You can overpay your loan at any time. This will reduce the outstanding balance so you'll pay less interest. The amount of your monthly payment will stay the same, so you may also pay off your loan more quickly."
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Re: Loans

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My other loan is even worse. First month payment was £190. £95 came off capital, so £95 went to interest, ie 50%. It is a bit higher interest rate (10.6%, other is 8.9%), and over a longer period.

Fingers crossed, I'll have both mostly paid off soon anyway.

At the moment I'm blowing about £150 a month in interest payments, but hopefully it won't be for long. So far I've paid about £250 in interest.