How long is safe?

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How long is safe?

Post by Medusa » Fri May 11, 2018 8:15 pm

I read about the water BOB things and water bricks and really wanted to invest in a few, however I could not justify the cost especially as I couldn't find a UK supplier and the carriage charges from abroad were horrendous. I found these and bought a couple https://www.amazon.co.uk/Collapsible-Po ... w+H2o+bags As nobody replied to my question about them being a safe plastic I presumed that they are not. How long would you consider safe to store drinking water in them without the plastic leeching into the water?
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Post by xplosiv1 » Fri May 11, 2018 8:43 pm

the way I'd view them is as an emergency storage item .... not long term storage, as in disaster hits and then you fill them.

in theory if the mains water was at risk of being cut off out or was contaminated after that you'd use up what was in that container long before leaching plastic became an issue.

80 litres @ 5L per day for one person for drinking, hygiene and cooking = 16 day supply
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Post by Arzosah » Sat May 12, 2018 9:33 am

Medusa, I didn't see your previous question, but wouldn't have known the answer in any case, sorry!

But what a brilliant idea is shown on the linkie! Very affordable too. I'm still going to buy those Wilko wheelie bin plastic bags, as they're only £2 anyway, but I have a proper wheelbarrow I was gifted by an elderly pensioner living locally, so this would be a great buy. I agree with xplosiv, emergency storage, not long term, but emergency storage is a good idea too.
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Post by ForgeCorvus » Sat May 12, 2018 4:54 pm

It seems that they're polyethylene.
HDPE (High Density PolyEthylene) is the standard material for making plastic water storage tanks and jerry cans.

So, I'd say that your barrow-bags are as safe for storing water as any other plastic container.

Here is an article about plastic water tanks, while it mentions PET, PEX and BPA as proven to contaminate stored water it makes no mention of PE or HDPE after the list in the second paragraph.

https://www.livestrong.com/article/1586 ... afely-use/

This is the website of one of many manufacturers of plastic water storage tanks

Draw your own conclusions.
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Post by featherstick » Mon May 14, 2018 8:18 am

I have a couple of these in storage. I have taken the view that if we are using them, plastic leaching is the least of our worries.

However I wonder whether they are still serviceable? They haven't even come out of the package so there's a good chance they have perished along the folds. I wonder what the best way to store them is? Hanging up?

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Post by Post » Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:51 pm

I work in engineering and deal with RO units as one of the many things I repair. The specialist contractor from Veolia/Elga who services then RO units once told me to never reuse plastic bottles as they start breaking down over time and are carcinogenic. I bought a glass bottle from Aldi for about £6 with a silicone protective sheath to take to work now for my drink.

With regards to long term storage of water, which was is best to store it?

Also, I’m a plumber by trade, I’ve intentionally kept my traditional boiler so that I have a store in the header tank and cylinder should the water be cut off, rather than have a combo and have no store or water. What I want to ask is, is the plastic from which header tanks are made from safe? I was going to increase the size of the said header tank in the loft you see.

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Post by jansman » Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:09 pm

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Post by ForgeCorvus » Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:50 am

Hiya Post
See my above post about water tanks
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Post by yorkshirewolf » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:46 am

Considering how quickly water goes down when mains is turned off/not available, i don't think storing water long term is too much of an issue.

For a modern family in a house, most people conservatively use around 100 litres per day. In an emergency, for two people cutting that right down to 5l per person per day, you're still using 70l per week, and that's difficult, - when we went travelling for a few months in a Land Rover, we used four of the NATO black jerry cans, so 80 litres, and using it for everything, it was hard work stretching it out for a week. So even storing say 300 litres, which is a lot of space and a lot of weight, it'll only last about a month, if you're being very careful how you use it.
Unless you're storing large amounts over 1000 litres, I wouldn't worry about container toxicity, just use some steri tabs/milton to keep it clean and if using clear/opaque containers, make sure it's in the dark to prevent algae.

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Post by Deeps » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:40 pm

yorkshirewolf wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:46 am
Considering how quickly water goes down when mains is turned off/not available, i don't think storing water long term is too much of an issue.

For a modern family in a house, most people conservatively use around 100 litres per day. In an emergency, for two people cutting that right down to 5l per person per day, you're still using 70l per week, and that's difficult, - when we went travelling for a few months in a Land Rover, we used four of the NATO black jerry cans, so 80 litres, and using it for everything, it was hard work stretching it out for a week. So even storing say 300 litres, which is a lot of space and a lot of weight, it'll only last about a month, if you're being very careful how you use it.
Unless you're storing large amounts over 1000 litres, I wouldn't worry about container toxicity, just use some steri tabs/milton to keep it clean and if using clear/opaque containers, make sure it's in the dark to prevent algae.

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Depending on the whys of you using your stored water will have an impact on your usage. If its a localised mains supply issue then you know its going to be back on or a bowser will turn up. If its longer term then you might have to be more canny with it. One water saving measure is paper plates and plastic cutlery.

As you say, there's no escaping the actual bulk and weight of water, this is where purification comes in.

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