tisept antiseptic sachets

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Yorkshire Andy
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tisept antiseptic sachets

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This stuff used to be in every first aid kit about 20 years ago why have they made it effectively perception only

https://catalogue.bunzlhealthcare.co.uk ... -solution/


Even the coshh sheet says it's none hazardous
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Yorkshire Andy wrote:This stuff used to be in every first aid kit about 20 years ago why have they made it effectively perception only

https://catalogue.bunzlhealthcare.co.uk ... -solution/


Even the coshh sheet says it's none hazardous
This site doesn't list it as a Licensed Medicinal Product https://www.medisave.co.uk/steretsr-tis ... ution.html and sells direct to the public
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Yorkshire Andy wrote:This stuff used to be in every first aid kit about 20 years ago why have they made it effectively perception only

https://catalogue.bunzlhealthcare.co.uk ... -solution/


Even the coshh sheet says it's none hazardous
Cost?

I always keep the plastic bottles of sterile eye wash about, in my kits and in my work bag. i think i paid about 6 quid for a box of them, they're good enough to wash and clean a wound - i know from experience - and they're stronger than the flimsy plastic sachet type.

Rules on what is and isn't allowed first aid-wise are changing all the time, they seem to change the rules on chest compressions/breaths every now and again as well, probably down to health and safety law updates - probably keeps a few bureaucrats behind a desk and in a job :lol:

I go with experience and education on what i think i need in my first aid kits not what pen-pushers tell me i should have.

Have a look at these:

https://www.firstaid4less.co.uk/First-A ... gLU4PD_BwE
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I've got a box of the eye washers too, keep 3 vials in each of my medium FAK's and even a couple in my smally one. As you say YW, they're robust enough not to worry about them leaking and can be used for eyes or cleaning wounds.
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Also available on Amazon https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tisept-Solutio ... rds=Tisept though rather more expensive!
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yorkshirewolf wrote:
Yorkshire Andy wrote:This stuff used to be in every first aid kit about 20 years ago why have they made it effectively perception only

https://catalogue.bunzlhealthcare.co.uk ... -solution/


Even the coshh sheet says it's none hazardous
Cost?

I always keep the plastic bottles of sterile eye wash about, in my kits and in my work bag. i think i paid about 6 quid for a box of them, they're good enough to wash and clean a wound - i know from experience - and they're stronger than the flimsy plastic sachet type.

Rules on what is and isn't allowed first aid-wise are changing all the time, they seem to change the rules on chest compressions/breaths every now and again as well, probably down to health and safety law updates - probably keeps a few bureaucrats behind a desk and in a job :lol:

I go with experience and education on what i think i need in my first aid kits not what pen-pushers tell me i should have.

Have a look at these:

https://www.firstaid4less.co.uk/First-A ... gLU4PD_BwE
The resuscitation council seem to be the ones publishing guidelines here in the UK. Not sure of their legal status though. I know most official bodies follow their recommendation.
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Can't remember who recommended it to me fairly recently on here one of our resident medical members I think...


I have had it long ago in my mountain biking fak


Well
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It's clear it's now pharmacy only :roll:


That said some saline vials are [pom] marked



And the reason behind this all ... The cat was bitten by a snake and I spent Sunday watch a vet remove a load of puss from the Puss and she is now sat with a cone of shame been dabbed with animal detol

So was looking at uping my stocks for my out and about fak's. As a cut or graze in Normal surroundings are ok but throw in bits of grit / gravel / sheep / deer poo calls for something better than salty water (which at 0.9% is isotonic and unlikely to damage cells unlike water which can be hard to come by in the great outdoors
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The use of antiseptic solutions such as tisept, normasol and unisept has not been recommended since the late 90s after peer reviewed papers found that they where no more effective than tap water, saline solution or distilled water at lowering bacterial count. Another paper in 1997 found that Antiseptics, particularly those which contain cetrimide, have marked cytotoxic properties which can cause tissue damage and hinder the healing process. These recommendations are for clinical situations not in the field first aid but I would still use normal eyewash (Sodium Chloride BP 0.9% w/v in Purified Water BP) to clean any dirt from a wound
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From the papers I've seen seem to be more cost based and by removal of bacteria was this a mechanical removal count immediately after or after a time as a antiseptic wash removes and denatures any pathogens that might not get removed ?


Also I saw that water can also cause cell damage by osmosis since mamel cells have no cell wall they burst if soaked


For first aid on others saline grandad used to use iodine on me if I came off my bike and I'm still here ;)

Also saw that saline should be at 37°c or it can cause damage / retard healing and take the wound site upto 3 hours to get back to body temperature
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I agree that the clinical trials had a cost saving agenda but no significant advantage was found in the different solutions used to control wound infection.

The use of saline solution would not cause cells to burst as it is isotonic so cells will not absorb excess fluid via osmosis.

Guidelines say that all irrigation solutions, not just saline, should be warmed to body temperature before application to avoid tissue damage.

My reason for carrying saline eyewash is that not only can it be used to clean a wound as effectively as antiseptic solutions it can also be used as intended as an eyewash. I have not seen anywhere which says that you can use tisept or other antiseptic solutions as an eyewash. I may be wrong but until I know for definite I won't be pouring antiseptic solution in my eye.