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MBJ wrote:
Those ceramics looks great. Do you mind me asking how you got your last lot?

If I recall correctly, I got them from fleabay. I'll have a look and see if I can find them. They are for fishponds, but worked really well in the waterbutts to keep the water clear.

Edit: I got them from Harrod Horticultural, but I just looked and they no longer stock them :cry:

Edit AGAIN!! Amazon sell them. :)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_gnr_a ... 1492956322
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Deeps wrote:I like my Sawyers, you can drink straight from whatever source you can get
Out in the wilds, sure you can, if your mains water isn't working at home then there's a chance that water sources could be contaminated with human waste, due to flooding or whatever, and if you drink water straight from a sawyer, (or any other filter that has the pore size measured in tenths of microns rather than hundredths.) then you risk hepatitis A, among other things, some are even worse.

For a backpacker, sawyers are ok if you're away from human habitation, for a prepper, they're not good enough on their own, they leave possibly fatal viral pathogens in the water, that can be solved if you have a large saucepan, but it does need to be said, they don't filter out everything.

A lot of people think a Sawyer in their bug out bag is enough, it isn't, you might even need it because of an epidemic, if a Sawyer is all you use then you're betting your life on it not being caused by a waterborne virus.
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Jamesey1981 wrote:
Deeps wrote:I like my Sawyers, you can drink straight from whatever source you can get
Out in the wilds, sure you can, if your mains water isn't working at home then there's a chance that water sources could be contaminated with human waste, due to flooding or whatever, and if you drink water straight from a sawyer then you risk hepatitis A, among other things, some are even worse.

For a backpacker, sawyers are ok if you're away from human habitation, for a prepper, they're not good enough on their own, they leave possibly fatal viral pathogens in the water, that can be solved if you have a large saucepan, but it does need to be said, they don't filter out everything.
A fair point, I was thinking more out on the hills where the water is effectively filtered by nature to a large extent and we do the 'risk assessment' look to see if a dead sheep is upstream. No substitute for boiling if you want to be as sure as you can be.
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My primary plan is to stay at home. I would only ever leave it as a last resort as you give up so much when you effectively make yourself a refugee.

What do people think of this Reverse Osmosis filter? Is this thing really going to get rid of everything?

http://www.eastmidlandswater.com/Detail ... ductID=50#
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MBJ wrote:My primary plan is to stay at home. I would only ever leave it as a last resort as you give up so much when you effectively make yourself a refugee.

What do people think of this Reverse Osmosis filter? Is this thing really going to get rid of everything?

http://www.eastmidlandswater.com/Detail ... ductID=50#
Hiya
I have a RO unit fitted at home.
I'm not sure that the RO filters get rid of everything, but they do get rid of all dissolved solids. Effectively you are left with super soft water with a hardness of 0. Before buying one I'd defo research further if you want one for prepping means.
Ours isn't for prepping, but for water for aquariums.
Good units can be had for less than £100.
Unless you are DIY savvy, you will also need a plumber.
If using all the time and not just for SHTF, they can be costly to run if your water is metered, there is a LOT of waste you see. They aren't like normal filters.

Personally, I wouldn't bother.
I stick to the sawyers, puritabs and boiling for my prep planning
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BlinkingCory wrote:
MBJ wrote:My primary plan is to stay at home. I would only ever leave it as a last resort as you give up so much when you effectively make yourself a refugee.

What do people think of this Reverse Osmosis filter? Is this thing really going to get rid of everything?

http://www.eastmidlandswater.com/Detail ... ductID=50#
Hiya
I have a RO unit fitted at home.
I'm not sure that the RO filters get rid of everything, but they do get rid of all dissolved solids. Effectively you are left with super soft water with a hardness of 0. Before buying one I'd defo research further if you want one for prepping means.
Ours isn't for prepping, but for water for aquariums.
Good units can be had for less than £100.
Unless you are DIY savvy, you will also need a plumber.
If using all the time and not just for SHTF, they can be costly to run if your water is metered, there is a LOT of waste you see. They aren't like normal filters.

Personally, I wouldn't bother.
I stick to the sawyers, puritabs and boiling for my prep planning
I'm not on a water metre and my water bill is very reasonable.

Do you have to connect the RO units up to your mains or can you just run water through them?
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Great thread and something on my radar after I get to 90 days of bottled water for 4 people for cooking, drinking and sanitary. (12 litres a day).
I picked up some great tips on this thread.
A pond. I could put a pond in the garden.
My hot water tank is big.
I also live very near (25m) to a deep natural well. And about 500m from the Rive Sowe so filtration / purification will be on my radar but only once got to 90 days of everything needed.
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Brambles wrote:
MBJ wrote:
Those ceramics looks great. Do you mind me asking how you got your last lot?

If I recall correctly, I got them from fleabay. I'll have a look and see if I can find them. They are for fishponds, but worked really well in the waterbutts to keep the water clear.

Edit: I got them from Harrod Horticultural, but I just looked and they no longer stock them :cry:

Edit AGAIN!! Amazon sell them. :)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_gnr_a ... 1492956322
Cheers for going to the trouble to find these, I'm definitely going to look into them once I've got my rain butts installed.
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Sawyer do produce a filter that claims to remove viruses, the SP194 and SP191. The SP194 2 bag system: http://sawyer.com/products/sawyer-compl ... er-system/ and the SP191 bucket adapter: https://sawyer.com/products/sawyer-poin ... embly-kit/

SP194 available on Amazon: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sawyer-Product ... wyer+sp194
SP191 available on Amazon: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sawyer-Product ... wyer+sp191
Slightly cheaper to import yourself via fleabay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sawyer-Produc ... SwuLZYybRi

EDIT: don't confuse it with the Sawyer SP181, SP184 4 litre, 2 bag filter which has 0.1 Micron filter rather than the 0.02 Micron filter needed to remove viruses (e.g. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sawyer-Product ... th=1&psc=1)

I have a Berkefeld with the heavy metal ceramic filters (https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/r1p/Stainles ... =berkefeld) but I'd not registered that they don't filter viruses, so thanks for the heads up. :shock:
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ukpreppergrrl wrote:Sawyer do produce a filter that claims to remove viruses, the SP194 and SP191. The SP194 2 bag system: http://sawyer.com/products/sawyer-compl ... er-system/ and the SP191 bucket adapter: https://sawyer.com/products/sawyer-poin ... embly-kit/

EDIT: don't confuse it with the Sawyer SP181, SP184 4 litre, 2 bag filter which has 0.1 Micron filter rather than the 0.02 Micron filter needed to remove viruses (e.g. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sawyer-Product ... th=1&psc=1)
That's really interesting to know. I bought the SP181 a few weeks ago at a good price. For the 0.1 rating, it felt good value vs the others on the market.

I had always assumed that if I was having to use it for any reason then I'd have to do some additional treatment with tablets and/or boiling.

Would an inline carbon filter help the situation, or is it just down to the filtration rating?