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Re: UK running short of surgical and dust masks.
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:39 pm
by Yorkshire Andy
Well my new JSP masks turned up
https://www.jspsafety.com/link/en/springfit/e/
I've been hunting for stock for a week we'll tool station had some in stock
Pack of 10 £25 ISH so not cheap but they are bloody well made
Donning is a bit of a faff as they Try to fold up on itself
Once fitted they fit me well no steaming up of the glasses even outside at 2°c
And the vent seems to work very well
The straps are good and are secured through the mask not stapled like some cheap masks
And doing some hard graft they stayed in place and didn't suck inward
Added bonus pre use I couldn't taste the bitrex when I got face fit checked
and they carry the good old British standard kitemark which is always a good thing in my book
Re: UK running short of surgical and dust masks.
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:47 pm
by Yorkshire Andy
I got given some of these by a rep a while ago £8 each! And imo utter poo... Straps pull out the staples... Avoid
https://www.screwfix.com/p/3m-9332-disp ... _container
Re: UK running short of surgical and dust masks.
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:51 pm
by peejay
With no stock of the JSP ones locally I managed to get a couple of 10-packs of these on click-n-collect, will pick up tomorrow & add to the 6 others I have so far (was considering buying some at the very beginning of the coronavirus outbreak & kept thinking I was daft...)
https://www.screwfix.com/p/delta-plus-m ... tid=735177
Re: UK running short of surgical and dust masks.
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:59 pm
by Yorkshire Andy
It's also timed well with the HSE new crackdown on welding related chest problems.. published 9 Jan this year:
https://www.hse.gov.uk/welding/protect- ... /index.htm
Re: UK running short of surgical and dust masks.
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:33 am
by Raven
I went for the usual hep B protection top up (I need it for the line of work I’m in) last year to be told I couldn’t have it as there was a national shortage due to brexit. I was so upset
So it doesn’t surprise me that we are running out of basics tbh, with it be due to “brexit” or China goods not being able to be sent to us, we seem to be as a country - exceptionally reliant on others for well everything.
I have my reusable ones so I’m happy.
Re: UK running short of surgical and dust masks.
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:31 am
by grenfell
Not used those as i tend to use the replacable filter masks for dusty work but at £8 a go using these as a protection against the virus would start to get very expensive . I've had a quick google and the dodgy south american river lot have surgical masks somewhat cheaper
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Disposable-Sur ... 1302&psc=1
That's a bit less than a pound each which is better even if the prevention is debatable and at one or two a day could conceivably last a month or so. I do still wonder how many people , and particularly those on low income ,would still baulk at that price and either risk going without or reuse a disposable mask over and over again.
Question for those with perhaps more knowledge than i although i suspect i know the answer. In another thread i think it may have been jansman joked ( i assume) about a cloth soaked in dettol used as a mask reminiscent of early gas masks although they used urine instead of dettol . Just how effective would such a thing be. Perhaps something other than dettol as i can't imagine breathing in the fumes from that would be healthier than the virus . Perhaps a sanitizer could be used. This is more aimed at having to improvise than to save money should masks be needed but become increasingly hard to get.
Re: UK running short of surgical and dust masks.
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:00 am
by jansman
grenfell wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:31 am
Not used those as i tend to use the replacable filter masks for dusty work but at £8 a go using these as a protection against the virus would start to get very expensive . I've had a quick google and the dodgy south american river lot have surgical masks somewhat cheaper
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Disposable-Sur ... 1302&psc=1
That's a bit less than a pound each which is better even if the prevention is debatable and at one or two a day could conceivably last a month or so. I do still wonder how many people , and particularly those on low income ,would still baulk at that price and either risk going without or reuse a disposable mask over and over again.
Question for those with perhaps more knowledge than i although i suspect i know the answer. In another thread i think it may have been jansman joked ( i assume) about a cloth soaked in dettol used as a mask reminiscent of early gas masks although they used urine instead of dettol . Just how effective would such a thing be. Perhaps something other than dettol as i can't imagine breathing in the fumes from that would be healthier than the virus . Perhaps a sanitizer could be used. This is more aimed at having to improvise than to save money should masks be needed but become increasingly hard to get.
Procedure masks,or surgical masks only prevent water droplets ,which we know create a vector for disease transmission.They are not much more than a cloth with elastic bands.A bandana,which is washable ( high temperature),would serve the same purpose.Its the fact that the label, " Surgical Mask" seems to endow it with some magical properties,and therefore has created a shortage in the scramble for personal protection.Proper handwashing will still be the first line of defence.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgical_mask
Re: UK running short of surgical and dust masks.
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:06 am
by grenfell
Yes i've read about the effectiveness or not of various masks and of course the importance of hygine. It was more the idea of improvised efforts that had me wondering. A torn up bedsheet should i think give a modicum of protection ( and could be either washed or burnt afterwards)but i was wondering if treating that sheet with something , probably something other than bleech , would increase the protection?
Re: UK running short of surgical and dust masks.
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:18 pm
by jansman
I wouldnt fancy breathing in a chemical so close,but you have a point.I have a shed load of dust masks,but I am not going to get gouged on price because folks are panicking.If it comes to wearing masks,MrsJ will get out her trusty sewing machine and knock up some reusable ones.I can easily get disposable gloves from the stores at work,but handwadhing will be the key - something that many,if not most are lazy with.
Re: UK running short of surgical and dust masks.
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:36 pm
by Nurseandy
This may cause offence and I certainly don't want to trivialise a lethal illness that has no cure and is spreading but I do feel things should be kept in perspective in that currently around 500 people have died from the new corona virus. This needs to be considered against the half a million people that die every year globally from the influenza virus but don't make the news.
Apologies if this seems callous just trying to keep things in perspective.